Who Won the Vice Presidential Debate?
Did Joe Biden and Paul Ryan impress you or were they full of malarkey?
Talk about a debate. Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan came out swinging and never backed down during the Oct. 11 vice presidential debate.
In contrast to the much more staid presidential debate, Biden and Ryan went toe-to-toe in Danville, KY, in a debate split between domestic and foreign issues. The men interrupted each other frequently, sometimes raising their voices—and in Biden’s case, throwing up his hands.
Biden and Ryan challenged each other at almost every turn, accusing the other of misrepresenting facts, budget calculations, past records and pretty much anything else they could disagree about. (Fact-checkers, of course, are already parsing the statements.) While moderator Martha Raddatz, ABC News chief foreign correspondent, exercised more control in keeping the candidates on point, she allowed them to debate directly with each other as well.
Big Bird stayed out of the conversation this time, but the infamous "47 percent" came up, unlike in the presidential debate. Also addressed were the terrorist attacks in Libya, Syria, job creation, pulling out of Afghanistan and even how the candidates' Catholicism affects their position on abortion rights.
While Obama and Romney were allowed to talk at length—drone on, some said—Biden and Ryan lobbed one-liners at each other with aplomb.
“Mr. Vice President, I know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground …” Ryan said to Biden at one point, referencing President Obama’s poorly received debate performance.
Meanwhile, Biden busted out “malarkey”—twice—and at one time retorted to Ryan, “Oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy.”
What did you think of the debate? Was it a good mix of issues? Did you get the information you wanted from Biden and Ryan?
Tell us, Patch readers: No matter who you support, who turned in the better performance in the vice presidential debate? Vote in the poll and tell us in the comments.
Lauren Burgoon
11:12 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
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Nancy Law
8:38 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Are Democrats too DUMB to know how to register?
Mike Olsen
11:29 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
I know vp debate doesn't mean much but Biden killed it tonight. Everyone should be thanking Joe for saving you from more of Romney/Ryan's lies. Liars deserve to be interrupted, liars deserve to be called out, and liars deserve to be laughed at on national television. Romney/Ryan are taking the lies and flip/flops to a level that is insulting to the American population, and Biden did a good job addressing that. Good job Joe, even your dentures were lookin top notch tonight
Anonymous 4 CamCo
7:54 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
Just sayin'.
Nancy VanTwistern
8:27 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
AGREE MIKE!!!!!
Michael
9:20 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Are you kidding? I thought VP Biden came off as an angry old man who repeatedly interupted Ryan and had nothing to say of importance. I do agree that Ryan didn't have specifics on his economic plan, but also agree that Biden (and Obama) can't run on their own record, so they need to preach fear about Romney Ryan. granted, I only saw the last 40 minutes of the debate, but I thought Ryan won hands down.
Phil
9:41 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
It isn't being an angry old man when you are calling someone out that they have their facts wrong. That's the type of emotion you want when someone, Ryan, is spewing lies and the like.
robert d
12:26 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
laughing like a heinna about peoples lifes in libya , made him look like a fool
John
2:03 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Are u kidding me, Biden won what a jesture battle, who is lying, U really know, thats a judgement call and too bad his teeth did not fall out.....ha ha ha
Faith
12:00 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
I agree with you Mike. I actually voted for Mitt Romney in Massachusetts and swore I would never vote for him again. Everything he said he believed in before the election changed once he was elected. I understand that politicians lie but Romney is a head spinner. I laugh at people who talk about his bipartisan support for the universal healthcare with the mandate and tax penalty he passed in Massachusetts as proof he can work across the aisle. It was Massachusetts with Ted Kennedy as its Senior Senator and a Democratic Legislature, of course it passed. When he left office Massachusetts was 47th in job creation. Not so good.
Nancy VanTwistern
9:47 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
So true........I've been reading information from all kinds of sources as lots can be slanted/lies/bs......you know what I mean. Well, it seems as if Ryan has had, on many issues, a total turn around. AND YOU WOMEN POSTING, he is a strict Catholic and thinks that religion has an important role to play in our government. As far as I'm concerned, religion should be kept out of politics....just check out what the extremists Muslims are doing to their own people just because they are a different part of Islam........I've been on line frequently reading info from all kinds of sources and know that even Obama and his crew have slanted the truth sometimes...BUT, the biggest liars in this race are Romney and Ryan.......PLEASE PEOPLE...open your minds and read all kinds of information about these politicians from all kinds of sources.....it's an eye opener...........
Poll watcher
11:32 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Saw CNN post debate poll, Ryan won debate!
What was Biden doing with laughing, smirking, cutting Ryan and the moderator off. Hears on tv Biden appeared condescending, cocky, arrogant, disrespectful.
Looks like Romney/Ryan may just be on their way to victory!
Nancy Law
8:34 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Yes, even the CNN poll had Ryan as the winner of the debate!
The more I saw of Biden, the more scary he became. It was as though he was in a different zone with his out of place smirks, laughter and eye rolling. Biden is very immature and full of "malarky" but this performance was especially bad. Biden also needs a course in manners. Over talking Ryan was annoying and the moderator was incompetent. All the moderator succeeded in doing was embarrassing COMPETENT women. No competent woman would have run a debate like that.
Ryan held his own even though it was two, Biden and the moderator, against him. Ryans HONESTY and INTEGRITY as well as manners came shinning through. The OPPOSITE was proven of Biden. Biden has HELPED Mitt to the finish line.
Linda
1:58 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
#1, The media & networks are biased & what are you people smoking?? Biden stood up for this Presidency like a man!! This was a DEBATE!! Obviously, polite doesn't show strength as was apparent in the Presidential debate. Tuesday, the gloves come off!!
Paul J. DiBartolo
2:52 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
What are we smoking? The same stuff that Barry was smoking last week. Unfortunately, he thought he was going to a meeting of his Choom Gang and forgot he had to participate in a debate. I think you're mistaking politeness for arrogance on Barry's part based on the fact that he thought he was going to sail thorough untouched and that just didn't happen.
Joe Bias made up for it though by showing up in full attack dog mode. My guess is that he's back on his short leash now and they put the muzzle back on him.
Dave
12:04 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Ryan had no answers nor could he explain their plan! Check other polls...because they differ!
Nancy VanTwistern
8:29 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Same ole' same ole' BS from Ryan.........and to the person who bashed Biden... sour grapes......at least he was his own person..........his usual self..........at times Ryan looked confused and got off subject.........
robert d
12:27 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
we have had no answers last 4 years
Linda
2:21 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Exactly! Romney/Ryan have changed their strategy how many times now? When they find out what they pitched was unpopular, they change to something that might be & so on. No better than salesmen!! The recovery from the hole that the Bush administration left us in may be a slow one, but it is heading in the right direction. Takes a long time to get out of such a deep hole & this trickle down that the Republicans keep trying to sell has never worked & it never will!! Just makes the rich richer! People need to really do the research to see what works & what doesn't. Need to leave the biased/prejudice behind & vote for this Country, not a political party!
Schu
12:41 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Everyone already had their choice picked before this debate took place tonight.
Nancy VanTwistern
8:43 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Have to agree..........most likely it isn't going to change at this stage of the game.
Linda
3:29 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Biden is amazing; a "real" man. He is the man we can trust to do the job, a man who cares about everyone, not just the privileged & he beat the snot out of Ryan in this debate!
Nancy VanTwistern
8:44 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
YUP...........
A. Carroll
7:08 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Can anyone say, "Solidly Democrat township"?
Susan Reed
7:21 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Really, A. Carroll? Did you click on the link above to see how people voted on who won the debate?
Paul J. DiBartolo
7:50 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Is there something in the water here?
Michael Makinson
8:05 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
I pray that Mr. Obama is in good health because the thought of Joe Biden ever needing to sit in the Oval Office scares the hell out of me. So yes, the VP debate does matter. Who won? Well if it was a contest of who could interrupt more, smile like an idiot, roll your eyes, sigh and talk louder because you can not defend your failed policies I have to give it to Biden.
Paul J. DiBartolo
8:13 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Michael, if Biden ever had to step in...can you say "deep kimshee"?
Nancy Law
8:37 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Biden is very immature. Since Biden can't defend their failures domestically and internationally, I suppose Biden was forced to behave like a rude toddler whipping out lies to minimize the damage Obama has done the last 3 1/2 years.
David Sileo
9:09 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Nancy republican or democrat lost me at DUMB.
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:17 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
No question about you, David.
Maryann Campling
9:12 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
At least Joey was on his good behavior last night and didn't call the debate "a big f.....ing deal." Gotta love this guy; he brings comic relief to an inept, dangerous administration.
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:19 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
I'm sure the muzzle is back on and Joe is back on the short leash this morning.
I sincerely hope that the American people are not as ignorant and stupid as Joe Biden thinks they are...
Dem for Romney
9:36 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
What I can't figure out is how anyone lets Biden get away with lying about Medicare election year scare tactics. I am sick and tired of the lies. What people should be scared of is how Medicare today runs an annual deficit of nearly $700B and he sits there - laughing like some 3 year old. Hey Joe, it's already belly up and you're smirking like the Joker in Batman and you got one over on the uninformed public. POW! KER-SPLOOSH!
David Sileo
9:42 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
I dont get it Paul. Happen to be a registered republican supportive of the changes in the township. I am not supportive of name calling and disrespect exhibited here.
So if you are questioning my intellect that's too bad. Maybe we can talk about it at an upcoming committee meeting and you can assess once you meet me in person. Thanks.
Paul J. DiBartolo
11:25 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Well, David, you wrote...
>>...republican or democrat lost me at DUMB
I wrote...
>>No question about you, David.
Actually, my comment was directed toward the first part of your comment, that is the questioning of Nancy regarding the "republican or democrat" part. Since you seem to think I was impugning your intelligence maybe you can help me because I can't understand your use of the word "DUMB" in the phrase. Maybe I don't understand your comment at all. Would you care to translate?
Joseph Gross
10:25 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Republicans are against redistribution of wealth. Last night, Ryan said that the 20% across the board tax cut would be paid for by eliminating loopholes and deductions, but only for the wealthy. Sounds like redistribution to me.
Dem for Romney
10:49 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
@josephgross - I don't follow that logic. if I am not paying taxes now, how does a tax cut redistribute my money?
Nancy VanTwistern
11:55 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
Dem for Romney..........'...not paying taxes now"? Don't you know that each and every time you 'open your wallet' you ARE paying taxes?? Perhaps not for food that you eat but for every other gd thing you purchase plus on your home, car...damn, you name it..................
Bob Phillips
11:22 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
ANYONE with an ounce of intelligence could plainly see that Joe (The Mouth) Biden
was out to put the "upstart" Ryan in his place. But unfortunately only succeded in making a laughing stock out of himself. A total buffoon with the manners of a street thug! A disgrace to the VP office. He is an angry old man who's only achievement is living off the taxpayer's dime and contributing nothing more than foder for late night comedy.
Nancy VanTwistern
11:56 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
AAAHHHH Bob, grow up!! Ryan is just a snake oil salesman trying to play with the big boys..........I'd like to know exactly what he has accomplished in his present position...read lots of articles from many different sources and it doesn't seem like much
robert d
12:32 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
biden was so stupid looking, with his laughing an overtalking how rude he was
Linda
2:34 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Biden was laughing because of the string of lies that continually erupted from Ryan's lips!! Hence, LAUGHABLE!!
Ric
9:42 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
@Robert. And Paul Ryan looks so metro-metrosexual. Weren't you offended by his vanity and conceitedness? I heard Paul and Mitt got into a brawl over whose hair was more plastic perfect. ;-)
Dem for Romney
12:06 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
@Nancy Van Twistern - I am aware that I pay taxes every time. I am fed up with paying high property taxes and sales taxes and use taxes for someone else's benefits. The discussion about taxes was about Federal income tax so what is your point? Do any of these other taxes apply to Federal income taxes?
Nancy VanTwistern
1:32 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
In my post I was referring to ALL taxes.........every time we turn around there is some tax on whatever..........as for the discussion being only about Federal income tax........???? so what? Are you a freaking nit picker?
Dem for Romney
6:42 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Why yes NVT I am a nit picker because i believe the facts matter and you are obviously trying to mislead people. The Federal gov takes enough of our taxes. They spend too much. That is why we have debts. Why is this so hard to understand? BTW 50% don't pay federal income tax so not sure what the point is really. A tax cut doesn't force a tax increase on someone else. It's a Democrat lie and another reason I won't vote for another Democrat.
Ric
9:50 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
@Dem for Romney. It is your logic that is convoluted. You are just bitter because Nancy blew apart your silly argument. You will get over it. She is certainly not the first person to tell you that you are wrong.
Dem for Romney
12:12 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
NVT are you already aware that here in NJ redistribution takes place. We pay our income taxes and the state hands it out to Camden and Newark. I am trying to figure out how that is helping middle class people like me. Like many, I have had enough. I want my taxes to go to my town and my family and my benefits which cost 20% more than last year. I can no longer afford any more dependents.
Nancy VanTwistern
1:30 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I agree with you.......I am sick to death of my hard earned money going for those who sit on their rears w/o even trying............NOW< I know that not all on welfare etc. are just taking and many need help........but I do agree with you and get the point. BUT, we still contribute our $$$ for taxes every time we turn around...and I don't believe I have to be specific, do you??? JUST SAYING............
Dem for Romney
6:44 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
HUH? Biden and Obama want more and more of our money to give out to others. If you agree with me then how can you support these clowns? Stop spending money we don't have!!!! We cannot borrow money to pay interest on borrowed money any longer. That doesn't help the middle class. This is what Biden/Obama don't understand. They lie about caring about the middle class.
Dem for Romney
12:56 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
This is why this Dem is NOT voting for Biden/Obama. He doesn't have the skills to work at 7/11. He is an embarrassment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlSX9TT2eo
Mike Davis
1:36 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Who won the debate is like asking home and away football fans; "Was that pass interference or not?".
Who won depends on how you feel about:
Religion (i.e. - a woman's right to choose, birth control, organized prayer in public)
Gun control
Prejudice towards one race or another
Which party can put more money in your pocket
Which party is more favorable to your industry but I guess that refers back to who puts more $ in your pocket
The rest of it is a bunch of crap as both parties lie and are beholden to those who paid their way into office.
John
2:14 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
This is all a load of crap, houses are over assessed, taxes are based on that and we do pay too much but there is nothing we can do about it....gas prices are up and down like a yo yo and whos to blame....do not get sick if you do you will lose your house at the higher assessment ---- U can always smile and laugh like Biden....
Jamie Lyons
2:27 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I have traditionally been a Democrat, however, let me break it down to an understandable level to my other Democratic Supporters:
1) Taxes up 20% overall since ‘Team Obama’ took over.
– Blames it on previous president even though it was a’ Democratic’ Congress who forced the President to spend it. Remember the Democrats controlled the Senate and House when Bush was numero uno.
2) Wants to redistribute wealth.
– Do you really think the rich (Senators & Representatives) will pass a law requiring them to give more of their $ to us (Middle Class)? Really you believe this?
3) ObamaCare
– Will require the ‘Rich’(Employers) to pay more towards employee healthcare coverage. Guess what, S**t rolls downhill. The more the ‘Rich’ have to pay---the more you will have to pay. Why would a Democratic Congress who supports redistribution of wealth do this you ask? Because they exempted all of themselves from ObamaCare, so they don’t care.
4) Gas up 200% since ‘Team Obama’ took over.
-Yet Obama’s administration stopped offshore drilling and denied Canadian pipeline. This would have reduced gas prices and created jobs.
The list goes on and on….let’s face it…’Team Obama’ failed us. Let us correct it and vote for someone who specializes in turning around our country. Let us see what Democrat will step up in the future.
Phil
2:49 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
The gas argument is wrong, http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us. It's no more expensive now then it was during the last 4 years of Bush's Presidency. In fact, it's taken almost the exact same path.
Jamie Lyons
2:51 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
@Phil,
Thanx for the link. I suggest you click it again though. Then click on 5 years. If you notice on 12/26, 2008 gas was driven down to $1.61. Then look what happened since Barrack Obama took office? Check your own facts………….Obama has screwed us!
Phil
2:57 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I suggest you click 8yrs link also to see that it's the same exact thing that happened 2004 through 2008. It's cyclical. You can't say Obama caused XYZ and not look at historical numbers, which show the exact same path the 4 years prior.
Phil
3:04 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
And just for good measure, here it is with crude oil prices included in the 8yrs:
http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA%20Average&city2=&city3=&crude=y&tme=96&units=us
Peeches
3:04 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
I have never cared for Biden demeanor but he knew his facts. I head today that The newbie had to go to the history books to look up his facts.
I want experience in the Office not someone who has to say wait a minute I'll look that one up. Folks it takes more than 4 year to turn around this recession, Obama has the first 4 under his belt.
Jamie Lyons
3:24 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Phil,
Well played. However, it doesn’t matter….Bush got the gas down to $1.61 when he handed the Presidency over…. period…. end of discussion. Using that logic, should we jump off a bridge just because the previous person did?
Phil
3:37 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Wow, that's a funny comment considering it didn't start dropping until Obama was elected so was it Bush getting it back down, the prospectus of Obama taking office or the fact the economy went into free-fall at that time which lowered demand significantly? Besides, if anyone thinks the Presidency or even federal government has any real power in controlling oil prices, they are sadly mistaken. Bush opened up reserves in 2006 but as the chart shows, the price kept going up, almost more dramatically. No, what controls oil prices are OPEC and speculators and until the US can control one of those two things, it doesn't matter who is in office.
Paul J. DiBartolo
5:09 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Have you ever had to wait in line for gasoline for half an hour or longer? Have you ever thought you needed gas and realized that it was not your even or odd day to buy it? Have you ever heard anyone say we need to be energy independent?
That all happened about forty years ago if you're old enough to have been able to participate in it.
Here's the thing, every time somebody points out that we need to start developing our own oil reserves the answer from those who seem opposed is that it will be 10 years before any newly discovered and developed resources get to market. That seems to be their attempt to throw a wet blanket over the idea.
May I say that since the crisis noted above in the seventies, 10 years has come and gone 4 times. So, which candidate has a serious plan to develop all energy sources as opposed to being all talk?
John
3:25 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Hey wait a minute how far back do U want to go on gas prices the 50's when it was 29.9 cents a gallon sorry but INFLATION did a job on us....so lets not think of years ago.....assessments are OVERINFLATED get real...
Paul J. DiBartolo
8:32 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
And what's the cause of inflation, John?
Tax Playa
9:21 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
@paul- it comes from the loose money policy of the private bank that controls our currency. The federal reserve bank. Since its inception in 1913, the dollar has lost over 96% of its purchasing power. As it prints more money and velocity picks up it will create more and more inflation.
Btw- Biden was a rude, buffoon. What an embarrassment to the USA. I cannot believe that this clown is a heartbeat away from the presidency. Could you imagine him negotiating with Putin or Netanyahu?
Paul J. DiBartolo
7:46 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Tax Playa, thanks for the reply. Actually, I wasn't asking for myself, I know the reasons, but I'm questioning whether John does based on his comment. My guess was "no."
John
2:29 pm on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Hey Paul and Tax man, I was referring to the guy who went to the charts of gas prices 5, 6, 7 and eight years ago and my comments were directed at him.....I am not a jerk nor am I not educated.....I also know that all townships if they assess the properties at what is supposed to be market prices are way too high thus we are paying more in taxes than we are supposed to by law.....so who is lying.....Biden was a clown, shouting, smiling and arm flailing, and this is our VP a crime.....
Paul J. DiBartolo
8:49 pm on Saturday, October 13, 2012
When you print money and pump it into the system you devalue every real earned dollar out there. How long can you run any organization when you borrow 40-cents of every dollar you spend without making any attempt to pay it back? People don't like the Tea Party but they are the only group I see out there trying to staunch the bleeding. The federal government is tasked with protecting its citizens...after that, every program is on the table until we get the spending under control. We don't have a tax revenue problem, we have a spending problem. Social Security and Medicare? Wake up people, the gravy train will grind to a halt at some point. By allowing our representatives to keep funding the programs that we demand by assigning our children and grandchildren to pay for them via borrowing from our sworn enemies, we are selling their freedoms down the river.
The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender. (Proverbs 22.7) Read it and weep!
Jamie Lyons
3:41 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Phil,
I would agree with your last comment....well said!
John
12:59 pm on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Oh yea, john knows that the prices of his home are controlled by the townships and printing money cause inflation, so does the ARABS by charging for oil prices....U guys get a life ok, biden was a joke and so are U
John
12:51 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
Hello Jamie are U a religious nut or what, back than they did not have so called banks all they had was people for the ARENA.....we are not gladiators....so why quote the bible
louie
5:09 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Obama/Biden win will result in a name change for America. we will be known as LITTLE REPUBLIC OF CHINA.Because more businesses will down size and unemployment will sky rocket.
Dem for Romney
6:46 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Louis I am afraid of that. If we keep borrowing money to pay the bills someone else owns US. this is never good. Obama told us it was unpatriotic and irresponsible but he went and did it anyway. That's a lie folks and another reason I am not supporting them again.
AnoninCinna
8:32 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Is there even a question? Biden mopped the floor with Ryan! If I were a Republican, I would be embarrassed!
Can't wait to read some of the rantings here on Patch that will surely go on after Obama/Biden win again! I predict some of the "regular" posters will go into full-fledged meltdown mode! Can't wait!!!
chris
10:41 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
And I cant wait till Nov. 6th when Romney overwhelmingly wins the Presidency and you and the rest of the liberal neanderthals go into full-fledged unhinged seizures ! can't freakin wait !!
Someone pass the popcorn
Dem for Romney
10:09 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
AnoninCinna-nice attempt but not so fast. Biden was a total obnoxious ignorant hack. The only one who should be embarrassed is him he's the VP of the USA and he acted like a baby on tv while lying about his votes for the wars and knowledge of the terror attacks on Americans etc. THere is a reason Democrats like me are leaving Biden/Obama in the dust. We may not like all that RR stand for but it beats the disgusting behavior and arrogance Biden/Obama have. Biden is a classless person. I told my kids if anyone ever acted like that don't ever support them.
Nancy VanTwistern
10:03 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
Evidentially Dem, you don't watch much news on the intelligent TV news programs. They tell it as it is and Biden 'called Ryan on some big lies', misinformation etc. that he spewed on that debate. It would be good if you read or listened to some 'intelligent programs or read some worthwhile newspapers to find the truth. "Biden called out Ryan on "Ryans Lies'..........
Will Smith
11:17 am on Sunday, October 14, 2012
People being polled about the Republican't nominee continually mention, that they don't seem to " know who Mitten$ RMoney really is?" ....
Well........
The 2012 Nominee Mitt is......
Anti-immigration,
pro-life,
anti-tax,
anti-Affordable Care Act,
pro gun rights,
anti-gay marriage -
a solid man strongly committed to solid conservative causes.
Or he's a liar.
Why?
Because 2004 Governor Mitt is ....
pro-choice,
pro-universal health care and the individual mandate,
not afraid to raise taxes,
open to gay marriage,
concerned about climate change -
a solid man strongly committed to solid liberal causes.
Or he's a liar.
The thing about Mitten$ that people cannot know (and, I don't even think he does) is-which side of the political spectrum he's truly on.
The only thing, the ONLY thing, you can really know about Mitt is ..... that he is a liar.
And sadly,my friends, that's the indisputable truth
Faith
3:13 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
Will Smith is spot on. As I stated earlier, I voted for Mitt Romney for Governor because I thought he believed in the issues he campaigned on. Once elected he changed his views on everything and I swore I would never vote for him again. As the saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
lesanda
11:03 pm on Friday, October 12, 2012
Dem for Romney , you are a democrar like I am Santa Claus. Your ploy is obvious. The giveaway is the fact you mention you are Democrat too many times in your posts.How can you support a man like Romney , the former CEO of Bain Capital but still a major stockholder that owns Burlington Coat Factory Stores. If they were to remove every bit of merchandise that was made in a foreign country the store would be stripped to it's bare walls. Yes , Burlington Coat Factory, the same outfit that extorted 41 million dollars from the state of NJ, by threatening to leave the Burlington Twp and build new offices across the river. Romney doesn't worry how much money is in your pocket, only in his.
Nancy VanTwistern
10:05 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
lesanda.............good post and factual.......not telling 'fairy tales' like so many Repuke posters here...................FACTS are what we need....
Nancy VanTwistern
10:54 am on Saturday, October 13, 2012
AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE.............our arguments here won't mean a damn in the long run.............we'll just have to 'grin and bear it' as we did the 8 *(&&^ yrs. of Bush and his minions. Just get out and vote and hope/pray for the best........
HomeBrew
12:25 pm on Saturday, October 13, 2012
VP debate is an exercise in preaching to the choir. The Dem choir was downhearted after first Pres. debate, and part of Joe Biden's job was to rouse them up and get them singing again. He succeeded spectacularly, and that's got to worry Romney/Ryan.
Will be interesting to see what lesson Pres. Obama learns from VP debate. Will
he adapt Biden's style, which is not his style? Hope not. (No Al Gore repeats please.) Above all, Biden was true to himself, and that came through the other night. Likewise, think Obama needs to be himself Tues., while still challenging Romney's facts and lack thereof.
This Frontline profile of the two pres. candidates is enlightening and worth watching no matter who you support. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice-2012/
Paul J. DiBartolo
11:53 am on Sunday, October 14, 2012
Biden was true to himself alright; he laughed like a hyena and made a general nuisance of himself by shouting like a buffoon who had one too many drinks. Oh, and then there was the lying...accuse your opponent of putting two wars on a credit card when you did the same thing.
Does anybody really put much confidence in Joe the Plagiarizer? Anybody who would follow his example would have to be slightly touched. I think Mr. Obama is more intelligent that that.
HomeBrew
3:37 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
Joe Biden laughed for everyone who sees Romney/Ryan tax "plan" as the joke it is. Biden's job was to energize the faithful, and he succeeded spectacularly. And I see your "plagiarizer" and raise you a "Lyin' Ryan." http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/08/31/paul-ryan-says-hes-run-sub-300-marathon/
HomeBrew
7:45 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
More "Lyin' Ryan": Remember that photo of his "visit" to an Ohio soup kitchen ... http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-charity-president-objects-to-paul-ryans-soup?ref=fpblg
anony
11:41 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
Lyin Ryan? HUH?
Obama in the 1st debate you said this.
Obama says he "suspects" that he and Romney have a similar position on Social Security. He wants to talk about Medicare, "the big driver" of deficits.
If medicare and social security are causing the deficts of $2 trillion a year and $20 trillion total, what are you doing to get them under control? Can we afford to burden children with paying for promises we cannot pay if we have this debt?
Come on man Obama aint no good! I'll whip up some home brew to that!
HomeBrew
10:13 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Flip side: If we really care about our children, we should not convert Medicare to a Romney/Ryan voucher program that will leave future generations without enough to pay medical bills.
Ric
12:33 pm on Sunday, October 14, 2012
@Home Brew I suspect President Obama will comeback swinging hard at the Mormon moron. Mitty will get his butt hit harder than even "I love my Abs" Ryan got from the Vice President Biden.
I was offended by the Frontline's Spanish version link. If PBS is truly concerned about reaching minorities, why limit it to just one foreign language? Oh, that is right. PBS supports Quebecization of America
Jamie Lyons
8:45 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
John,
You must be uneducated because you cannot read....It wasnt me who quoted the bible. I only agreed with "Phil's" comment on who is controlling the gas prices.
Nancy VanTwistern
9:41 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
I just saw, for the first time, second from top of comments...Nancy Law...asking if Democrates are too dumb to know to know how to register...well, she sure showed her stupidity..........that post could have referred to Republicansn as didn't mention any party...........guess she has a total lack of comprehension..........good Lord....some are crawling out of the woodwork with their inane remarks
chris
9:48 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
"some are crawling out of the woodwork with their inane remarks"
Pot meet kettle
Ric
10:10 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
@chris. You just hope but sorry Nancy is right.
To use your words against you - And I cant wait till Nov. 6th when Romney is overwhelmingly defeated and loses the Presidency and you and the rest of the right wing neanderthals go into full-fledged unhinged seizures ! can't freakin wait !!
I'll pass on the popcorn, Chris you poured on too much butter - again.
chris
4:01 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Maybe and im just saying maybe Ricky that was just a play on words with your liberal buddy's AnoninCinna's post...."Can't wait to read some of the rantings here on Patch that will surely go on after Obama/Biden win again! I predict some of the "regular" posters will go into full-fledged meltdown mode! Can't wait!!!" you are rather astute I'll give you that lol.
Ric
8:33 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
@Chris. You are confusing people here. There is Rick and a Ricky also at Patch. I am Ric.
You are right about what AnoninCinna said but AnoninCinna is not Nancy.
anony
8:35 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
If celebrating bankruptcy is a good thing, then Obama fans should buy plenty of champagne. $20 trillion in debt and $2 trillion budget deficits. Yeah, that's what I call success. Here's a question, if we are borrowing so much money, who is really paying for the Obama phones and food stamps but borrowed money?
Ric
9:55 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
@anony. I am a republican (moderate) but I support Obama. That $20 trillion in debt and $2 trillion budget deficits trace all the way back to the previous right wing republican administration president Dubya. When Dubya became president, there was a surplus, debt was being paid down. But those "fiscally conservative right wing republicans" spent government money worse than drunken soldiers with a credit card with no limits. Romney is the second coming of Dubya. Dubya did not leave paying down the debt like his immediate predecessor, Bill Clinton. We cannot afford the debt or the wars Romney will bring us. If he is elected, we will be bombing Iran by June.
Obama is not perfect, nor is he my first choice but I support him. The right wingers of the Republican Party put up another Dubya and frankly we cannot afford the debt and wars that another "fiscally conservative right wing republican" president will burden us with. The problem with "fiscally conservative right wing republican" presidents is all they have to do is cite “their loving relationship with god almighty” and cite homosexuality as a sin and the right wing is happier than that proverbial old pig lying in a pool of ---- and they can spend as much as they want. Praise be to god almighty.
anony
10:03 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Ric you are no Republican. I have read your posts. The debts cannot trace back to the Right Wing Admins but nice excuse. Come on man, the deficits are easy to analyze. 4 straight years of $2 trillion annual deficits under Obama. How is that Right Winger. Medicare and SS are running huge annual deficits. What right winger did this again? You are a classic RINO at best. Obama admitted at the debate Medicare is the problem.
If Repubs spent money like drunken sailors then Democrats spend it like drunken hookers. Do a trick spend the cash look for the next trick to turn. The deficits are $2 trillion now and were less than $200 B under the right wingers. How do you explain this?
Obama is obviously not perfect nor qualfied to work at Burger King. You can use all the various names you want. the problem is quite simple. TOO MUCH SPENDING. What will you accept to fix it?
Ric
10:15 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
@anony. Your perception is truly flawed. Your grasp of politics is like your grasp of reality. I use only one name at patch despite what you claim.
You said Obama is not qualified to work at McDonalds. You are absolutely right. So you support Romney because he is qualified to work at McDonalds? Wow, a hamburger flipper as president and a republican, what a novel but bad idea!
By the way, history is going to admit Richard Nixon was a great president who made a mistake. Take your no republican and ….I am just not a right wing religious nutcase republican even though that is the current high fashion in republican circles.
A truly religious president would have us turn the other cheek if North Korea would send a bunch of nukes at our west coast.
anony
10:24 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Ric that's a bunch of fancy words but you said nothing about the $2 trillion in annual deficits. Too much spending is the problem. What will you do to fix the problem?
Don't try and deflect by talking about nukes and name calling. It's offensive. I am an independent. The left wing lunatics like Obama are just as bad.
Come on man Obama is a dud, a failure, incompetent......
anony
10:58 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
@homebrew
"Flip side: If we really care about our children, we should not convert Medicare to a Romney/Ryan voucher program that will leave future generations without enough to pay medical bills."
Medicare spending exceeds revenues right now meaning we borrow to pay the benefits. That causes the debt to rise and adds burden to our children. Should we just keep doing this? What's your solution to fix it if you are against vouchers?
I thought Obamacare was going to control healthcare costs making it less expensive to buy healthcare in the future. Was this another lie (why of course it was)?? Wasn't the problem with health insurance the high costs which Obamacare has done nothing to fix? And if costs keep going up and Medicare is already broke, how can it pay for the future costs?
And If the debt is $20 trillion growing by $2 trillion and medicare is the cause of much of this because there is not enough revenues now which means we spend too much.
Got any bright ideas?
Lauren Burgoon
11:40 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Just think, less than 12 hours before everyone can take up the "who won the second presidential debate?" argument on a new article .... It will be posted throughout our region of Patch sites: Cherry Hill, Cinnaminson, Collingswood, Gloucester Township, Haddonfield-Haddon Township, Moorestown and West Deptford.