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Who Won the Second Presidential Debate?

Barack Obama and Mitt Romney both turned in forceful performances, but who won the second presidential debate? You tell us.

 

The turnaround was remarkable—following a first sedate presidential debate marked by long answers, the second debate turned into a rapid fire grudge match between President Barack Obama and former Gov. Mitt Romney.

Perhaps Diane Sawyer put it best: “It was a rocket ride fueled by adrenaline.” Or maybe it was George Will: "Both men tonight tiptoed right up the point of rudeness, but stepped back."

The town hall format gave the candidates opportunity to confront each other, not just verbally, but physically. And Obama and Romney embraced that, often moving toward each other as they verbally sparred over the other’s record. Both were feisty, refusing to concede any points to the other and often talking over each other—and moderator Candy Crowley of CNN.

Romney and Obama asked each other questions directly, frequently accused the other of distorting the facts and verbally tussled over the math behind tax plans and job creation strategies. They also took some direct digs on the other’s fitness for president.

Romney:

“If you elect President Obama, you know what you’re gonna get. You’re gonna get a repeat of the last four years. We just can’t afford four more years like the last four years.”

“We don’t have to settle for what we’re going through… If I become president, I’ll get us working again.”

Obama:

“When he talks about getting tough on China, keep in mind that Gov. Romney invested in companies that were pioneers of outsourcing to China... Governor, you’re the last person to get tough on China.”

“That’s not how a commander in chief operates. You don’t turn national security into a political issue, certainly not right when it’s happening.” (on Romney’s response to the attack against the American consulate in Libya.)

The pointed quotes were a departure from the first debate, which saw pundits praise Romney’s fiery performance and criticize the president’s lackluster demeanor. ABC’s George Stephanopoulos opined that Obama and Romney “decided they were going to rouse partisans tonight, rouse their supporters and not worry so much about uncommitted voters.”

Questions, which came from audience members at Hofstra University in New York as well as Crowley, ranged from equal pay for women to assault weapons bans to higher education costs, in addition to the expected topics of national security, the economy and job creation.

Yes, Big Bird did come up, but just once in passing. Tonight’s catchphrase, at least according to the Twitterverse, seemed to be “binders full of women,” aka what Romney received to staff his cabinet with qualified women.

Here's the full transcript of the second presidential debate, provided by ABC News.

You tell us—who won the presidential debate? No matter whom you’re voting for, who turned in the better performance?

  • Who won the second presidential debate?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Barack Obama
        65 (52%)
    • Mitt Romney
        51 (40%)
    • Both were great
        4 (3%)
    • Both stank
        5 (4%)
    Total votes: 125
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Second presidential debate, Who won the debate, and town hall debate

neville

11:09 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

i personally feel Obama dominated the debate...

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mtwnres

11:10 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Romney supporter: Romney won hands down.

Obama supporter:`No he didn't , Obama did.

For anyone with a brain you can skip the next 100+ posts.
I just gave it to you in a nutshell.

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Luke Murry

11:34 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Hahaha :] Both guys are sociopaths. Whoever wins, everyone besides the political/corporate elite loses.

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@xxLouA

2:11 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

really had to laugh at the nm......."NOT TRUE" statement made by the so-called aggressor.....who couldn't wait his turn ....Candy, I suppose was the winner......
If you want 4 more of the same you know what to do.....

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mtwnres

3:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

And since when does a moderator defend statements of one of the participants ?
Regarding Obama stating (during the Rose Garden address) the Bengazi attack was a terrorist one, which he never did.

Needs to keep her big mouth shut

BTW, had to love when Romney called out Obama on his retirment investments also going to chinese companies.

Obama: "Candy, can we move on?"

Of course you want to move you tool. You're full of sh*t and it just got thrown in your face.

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Cinnacide

12:21 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Yeah, because you sound like someone who is a credible source on politics...

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Cinnacide

12:25 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

I also don't know how you can support Romney. The guy believes that god lives on a planet called Kolob? I'll have whatever he's smoking.

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mtwnres

11:04 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

@Cinnacide - I could care less what religion he believes in.
If we had a President ( and government) that actually followed the constitution you wouldn't either.

Obama ( a Christian) believes that God lives...um where ? In the clouds, maybe above them, some imaginary place called heaven.

I see you're point. That's so much more realistic.

Tom M

11:19 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

I say a draw. I don't think either side swayed any voters.

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Tom hanks

11:20 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Romney won all day long Obama couldn't keep from acting like the child he is

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Jeff

12:13 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I have a binder of women who would disagree with you, all day long... if they could... unfortunately they need to get home to make dinner.

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mtwnres

12:28 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

You have a binder of married women ? And you criticize Romney.

Congrats, you're the locomotive of the moron train.

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Jeff

12:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I neither wrote "married," nor criticized... but you keep on replying with your almighty wisdom.

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mtwnres

1:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

jeff - So you have a binder of single women ( that would be angry with Romneys example of a married mother with children) that need to get home early to cook for themselves ?

It would be less painful if you just pull your foot out of your mouth now and walk away.

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Greg

8:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama acted like a child? I recall the moderator telling Mitt to sit down. I think he also needed a time out for being so belligerent and intrusive

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Stephen Lyford

8:58 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Child? *sniff sniff* I do detect the smell of racism in the air. Calling a sitting President a child is the hallmark of someone who has no credible argument to support the opposition.

Ruby

11:23 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Romney Won the first and this one too. Had facts and strong on economy. Obama has the same talking points of four years ago.

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neville

1:56 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

i respectfully disagree with you hey... Mitt couldn't get to the specifics, hope you didn't miss this part, "Romney gave specifics I must have missed that but please since you understood them so well please explain to the rest of us. Cause all I got was abracadabra hockus pockus"...or maybe you were asleep.

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Stephen Lyford

8:59 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Romney has facts on the economy? Whatever you're smoking, I'd love some, it obviously does a great job at warping reality. Romney's "facts" are from studies that are being discredited daily, from conservative-leaning organizations which are far from impartial. Romney is throwing up a smoke screen and you're blinded by it.

zzz

11:24 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Yeah, Obama won. Romney still can't explain his economic plan, mostly because his deficit plan is complete nonsense. How do you balance the budget while cutting taxes on everyone, increasing military spending, not raising taxes on anyone, and not cutting medicaid or social security? You can't. It's not possible. Romney can be as vague as he wants, but it's just impossible, and everyone knows it.

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TMB

9:11 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

and we still are living with Obama's plan...which is getting us nowhere...Obama is all smoke and mirrors. He wants to fight for the middle class but keeps giving all of the money and support to programs that do not work and keep people home from working because of all the handouts. It is a disgrace the way he has tried to paint a picture of himself as a defender of our country and how he wants to build it up....but he keeps throwing our money away. Nothing can get worse. I do not want a repeat of the last four years where a president cannot even "man up" and allows his Secretary of State to throw herself under the bus to make him look good in the killing of our Ambassador and 3 others......

Luke Murry

11:33 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Goldman Sachs won, no doubt about it.

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michael smith

11:37 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Obama definitely lost. He has continued to fall into the trap of defending the last four years instead of talking about the future. Romney has dragged him into this trap.

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mtwnres

11:40 pm on Tuesday, October 16, 2012

Other then Luke. You're all morons.
Carry on.

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USAfirst

12:04 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Who cares. I want to know when the American tax paying hard worker is going to win.

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M barker

12:08 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

It's time for a change, AGAIN. Obama had his four years. Now it's time to move on and try another one for four years.

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Bruce

5:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Ron Paul has EVERYTHING these guys are lacking! TOO BAD FOR US

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Diane

6:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If women want their rights taken away go a head a vote for Rommey! No man, goverment or religion has a right to tell a women what she should or should not do with her body. This is her decision and no one elses. Does any one one tell a man what football team he should root for or how to pick his nose.... I think not!

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bobnj1

8:30 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I have yet to find one "women's right" that Romney wants to take away. I do, however, see several choices that women may make removed from the list of items that we the taxpayer pay for and not her (since SHE made the choice it's only fair that SHE pay). Contraception - who's stopping women form that now? (by the way, it isn't a right), Abortion - who's stopping women from that? (by the way, it isn't a right). When we through the term "rights" around, it is important to actually refer to the actual "rights" identified n the constitution - none others. This huge Strawman that the DEMs have put up in this election should actually be challenged for what it is - a strawman.

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Yah Mo B There

9:00 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

What about every citizens "right" to use the fruits of thier labor how they best see fit? That choice is taken away from most by threat of jail at gunpoint. (If you think that's an overstatement try not paying your taxes). How about the "right" to eat whatever I want or send my kids to school with what I see fit. how about my choice to wear a seatbelt or not without the heavy hand of the law gettign involved? It's my body at risk right? The list goes on and on. Bottom line is the same argument can be used with almost anything the government has overstepped it's bounds. Which at this point is pretty much everythign... You refer to simply one issue that you want to use the overreaching power of government to get your way.

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libsrsic

7:58 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Diana, I'm a woman and you insult all women's intelligence by reducing this to a "body" issue. Real women are concerned with their children's futures, lack of jobs, sky high food and gas prices, out of control higher education from the liberal academic bastions of "higher" learning. I'm concerned with social security and medicare which Obama seems to think is solvent. Welfare spending has gone up to one trillion dollars!!!! (We could use that money for social security and medicare). This woman has to pay for that AND knows that 40% of all our debt is loaned to us by a Communist Country. This woman see's Obama EPA regulating with an iron fist. Woe to you, simple woman, if you have to pay your own utility bills in another term with Obama. So you see, honey, there are far more important issues. Grow up!

redneckwillie3

7:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

let's give Obama another 4 years and put this country on the brink of destruction.
gas will be $8.00 a gal won't be able to go food shopping.prices will be so high and our debt will be 25 trillion.
these candidates don't care about the american people.Obama wants 10 million illegals in this country so they will vote for hime as long as they are getting gov.subsidies

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theresa barnett

7:40 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Don't get me to testifing! The names have changed but, the characters are all the same.I'm tired of people at their convenience use God and prayer for their front.If God is not the author of confusion ,what does this say about you? (I say this in general) J P Morgan and Mr. Diamond offered us to stand in their line for food stamps I'm thinking about it.

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Big Daddy 1

8:16 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

There is a reason Mitt won't tell us his tax plan. Because it will either add large amounts to the deficit or add taxes/cut benefits to the unrich (or both). It's simple arithmetic. I am truly surprised that the Romney supporters haven't figured that out yet.

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libsrsic

8:50 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@Big Daddy 1, 2 and 3 is next. 2) Romney is going to cut spending. 3)Revenue will increase because business will grow and there will be more business to pay more taxes.

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bobnj1

8:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney supporters (at least me) recognize that if any more details comes out of Romney about what he may want to do, it will be twisted and demagogued by the DEMs, because the truth is that some painful medicine is needed in this country by doing one of the things that you don't mention in your post... reduce spending. There will need to be many painful cuts to programs as well as reform of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, since they are not sustainable for my kids and grandkids. There clearly is a level of trust that he and the Repubs will actually cut spending and there is a real risk he doesn't carry this through, but we have clear evidence what Barack and the dems will do - blow up the deficit! You complaining about Romney's plan not balancing, but you will support the guy that has NO PLAN and plenty of evidence that this economy will continue to stagnate or maybe even get worse. You also fail to realize that cutting the tax rates across the board, especially for the middle class, including small business, will stimulate the economy, increasing jobs and therefore increasing tax revenue to the treasury, helping wipe out the deficit.

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bobnj1

8:58 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Despite what the DEM machine says, cutting taxes worked when Reagan did it in the 80's and it worked when GW Bush did it during his 2 terms. Look up the stats... it worked for Bush and stimulated the economy dramatically reducing our deficit and despite the DEM spin machine saying it helped caused the financial collapse in 2008, it had nothing to do with it, nor did the wars. It was caused by the collapse in housing market, where so many people that did not have the financial ability, were approved for home ownership due to strong urging by congress and pressure from the Govt on the banks. Then the banks came up with shady investment vehicles to try to make back the losses they were going to see from these bad loans and the mountain came tumbling down on those shady vehicles. By the way, the cost of the wars certainly contributed to the deficit, but had nothing to do with the financial collapse that occurred 6 years after the wars started.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

6:13 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If the arithmetic is so simple how about you trot it out and explain it to us. I for one would like to know what you know and, apparently, I haven't figured out yet.

Donnie

8:26 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney looked good kept Obama on the defensive .
The real question came from the black guy who said he voted for Obama on '08 and finds if difficult to vote for him again, Obama didn't give what he would do in the next four years where Romney answered all the economic failures and his plan to get the economy moving again.

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Occupant

8:44 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If Obama didn't lie about his record all the time and also lie about Romney's we could have a reasonable debate about the real issues. Each one spends most of his time refuting the others lies. Obama should just talk about HIS record and not Romney's ideas.

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libsrsic

8:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney should have asked the President why he gave Brazil 2 BILLION tax payer dollars and then says the U.S. would rather buy oil from them. (It turns out China, not the US benefitted). So much for Obama's wanting to be energy independent and financially responsible.

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Jamie Lyons

8:50 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

As a previous Democrat, I will be voting for Romney. Here is why…

Our President still has not answered as to why he said he would cut the deficit in half, but has gone the other way and DOUBLED it.

Obama claims he has cut the taxes on middle class families by $3000 on average, however his failed economic policies has reduced middle class income by $4300. Net gain for middle class families is NEGATIVE (-) $1300.

The moderator of last night’s debate, who said Obama was correct during the debates, has since come out and admitted she was wrong, indeed the Obama administration failed to recognize that the attack on the U.S. Embassy was a PLANNED terrorist attack and not a result of a video. To second this point, his VP admitted they were never told by intelligence it was an attack. If the President claims he said it was an attack the next day, and his VP said they were never told, and then his administration went on for 2 weeks claiming it was because of a video, which one is it? I don’t believe America needs his leadership anymore.

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Jamie Lyons

8:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Obama is a lawyer by trade and has done a good job deflecting the truth as any good lawyer can, but what America needs to get out of an economic funk is someone familiar with economics, not law. Even Obama himself has admitted that Romney was successful in Massachusetts by increasing education, creating jobs, passing legislation in non-partisan methods, covering every citizen with healthcare, reducing taxes and the state deficit. That is what someone familiar with economics does, not deflect the truth away from the citizens as a good lawyer knows how to do.
Obama claims he is tough on China, but Romney called him out, and low and behold, Obama is investing in China, not to mention, bowing to the Chinese.

Don’t let Obama’s skills as a lawyer deflect the truth. There is more:
Unemployment…
Regulations…
Government subsidies…
Taxes (Obamacare)…
Spending…
And debt that has been placed on the American people than the previous 43 President’s combined! If America was in a legal fight against the world, I would hire Obama as my lawyer. However, we are in an economic fight, we need someone with economic skills to claw our way out of.

I’m sorry Mr. President, I voted for you, but not this time…

P.S. Why are you paying your women in your administration less than their male counterparts?

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SpeakUPNJ

9:09 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If you enjoy the art of bold-faced lying about a record of abject failure Obama won the debate. If you enjoy the process where the debate moderator involves herself in the debate to save her flailing candidate Obama won the debate. If you were looking to hear the truth about how bad off Obama has left America and to hear a plan to get America working again, Romney won the debate.

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Lauren Burgoon

9:15 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

A link to the full debate transcript was just added to the story.

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Joe

10:08 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

And not a moment too soon; a number of people here need to read it to refresh their slanted memories on what actually occurred Tuesday night. The main problem with politics today is that both the left and right have become more extreme (particularly the right - see Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann) and their bases along with them. There is no middle ground in politics and nobody has the ability to be objective when debating issues or accessing candidates.

The three debates (including the VP debate) are perfect examples. GOPers obviously think Romney and Ryan won all three; opposite for Dems. I am a registered Dem but can honestly say that Romney won the first debate handily. If it were a boxing match, the ref would've stopped it in like the third or fourth round.

That said, my objective opinion is that anybody calling either the VP debate or the second debate for Romney/Ryan is just supporting their guy. All the smiling and laughing aside, Biden schooled Ryan and, frankly, he should have. Biden has been around the block several times and Ryan is just lacing up his sneakers. The second presidential debate clearly went to Obama. Romney did a very nice job on several issues but he continues to change his stance on positions mid-stream, he continues to twist and exaggerate facts (as does Obama) and he got blasted more than once. I get GOPers (and Dems) are going to go with your guys no matter what but a little objectivity won't kill you.

libsrsic

9:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

@ One who cares for the "truth":

Snopes is a left leaning fact checker. They deny it was an "executive order"; who said it was? It's irrelevant. Here it is from the horse's mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2V4EM_jaFg&feature=player_embedded
Taken from:
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/after-obama-gives-brazil-10-billion-tax-payer-dollars-china-not-america-set-to-benefit/

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SpeakUPNJ

9:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If we are going to try to correct all the Obama debate lies we will be here for a few weeks. But here is another whopper that Obama loves to repeat over and over and over on TV specifically for his "War on Women " diatribe.
President Barack Obama has, once again, misled Americans when it comes to the issue of Planned Parenthood and what legitimate health care it does or doesn’t provide. During Tuesday night’s debate, Obama falsely claimed the abortion company does mammograms. It does not. Planned Parenthood itself has admitted that it does not perform mammograms for women — something the Komen for the Cure breast cancer charity confirmed last year! But will the President stop lying about it....NO! The man has got to go. And November 6, 2012 sounds like a great time to tell him so.

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Bar stool chairman

10:33 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Romney won . As Obama said, paraphrase "if I don't come through on my promises, then I'm a one term proposition ".
Obama didn't cut the deficit, unemployment way high, never put a plan for immigration reform, raised taxes on the middle income, poor foreign relation debacles, etc. Right?
There are more undecideds out there . Most will vote Romney.
Vote Romney nov 6th.

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chris

10:34 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

I truly think Obama and his minions feel Americans are stupid they spent 2 weeks claiming the murder of a US Ambassador and 3 other Americans was due to an anti muslim film. 5 days after the attack in Benghazi they sent UN Ambassador Rice on 5 Sunday news programs claiming it was all because of the film then on Letterman, The View and even 5 times in his speech to the UN General Assembly. However today they now claim that they said it was 'terrorism" all along and we are all suppose to say ok and not question it and just move on.

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Just the Facts

10:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Economics: Trickle down does not work. Plain & simple: Doesn't work. If so Reagan & Bush I & II would have run surpluses. Check the US Historical Budget Tables. Obama is correct in that Clinton & Republicans compromised and did give us surpluses. On another point I really wish people would think back to 2008. Take a look at the Wall Street close from any day in December and look at it now. Obama is not perfect but please a dose of reality would go a long way.

As far as abortion Paul Ryan said it best and I'll paraphrase. We'll repeal Roe v Wade and let the elected officials put forth a constitutional amendment to legalize abortions. If Romney wins he'll appoint a conservative justice, then at the next session the case will be overturned. Then if women want the right they'll have to get an amendment through congress to provide the right. No way this happens.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

5:58 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If I had a nickel for every time a liberal mentioned trickle down economics...
Let me go out on a limb and suggest that you read something. Do I actually think you'll read it? No, but I'll try anyway.
http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf
If you want to really understand where the term came from and why people misuse it as you do, you can read Thomas Sowell's explanation...if not, well just keep repeating such as you've written above.

Bar stool chairman

11:21 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Jtf- stay on the truthful matter. Obama promised a lot, didn't keep his promises but furthermore,
instead of cutting the deficit, he tripled it.
Instead of promising unemployment an said it would be at 5.5% at this time in his term, it's nearly 8%.
Underemployment is 19%, obamacare will place high taxes on everyone, Medicare monies of $700billion will be cut and go to obamacare, a 12 member unelected panel appointed by him poss w/o medical experience, choose whether we get coverage or what type of medical procedure we can have.
It goes on and on with the mess we are in.
Obama couldn't answer the mans question in last night debate on why he should for Him. No plan on what the prez will do in the next four years, rather it appeared he was in '08 campaign mode tater than '12. No plan.
See people see through that.
Vote Romney

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Changewedont

11:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Just the facts - sorry but you do not do justice to your name. Reagan ran deficits because he had a Denocrat Congress that he actually worked with. I order to get the cuts he knew were needed to get the economy going he compromised and ended up with less spending cuts than he wanted. If we are being truthful the compromise of Clinton and Republicans didn't bring the surplus as much as the booming dot com industry through the 90's. As for W, he should have demanded more spending cuts for the tax cuts he implemented. However, if you look at the deficits caused by the spending cuts most of that was because of the huge cuts for lower and middle class earners. It wasn't the "tax cuts for the rich" we keep hearing about. Or the "two wars put on a credit card" (BTW, the stimulus cost more than the Iraq war). It wasnt until Pelosi and Reid took over Congress that we hit the half trillion dollar deficits under Bush. And then we've had trillion dollar deficits for all four years of Obama.
And you're going to use Wall Street as a measure of Obama's success? I thought he was all about "main street". Because the people on Main Street are not doing so well (e.g., the U6 unemployment rate and expected Obamacare taxes that are about to hit the middle class).
On abortion, what Paul Ryan and conservatives say is that the Federal Government has no place in deciding abortion rights. I think it is article 10 of the Constitution that discusses something about states' rights?

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Just the Facts

12:17 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

According to your logic then the Republican congress is responsible for the deficits over the last two years. By the way the congress wants to spend another 110B to repeal ACA. Check the CBO letter to Boehner.

Main Street is tied to Wall Street. Got an IRA? Furthermore cash going to Wall Street means the public companies get more capital and in turn expand. Maybe just maybe these companies would hire more people.

John

12:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

This is amazing how people can give reasons for Obama vs Mitt....everyone that made comments made them by party lines....Obama has not done anything to improve
the economy. What a joke this is......sad how we are being fooled......bring back the draft.....

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Ruth Rouff

1:56 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

If elected, Romney will insist on austerity measures that will lead to greater unemployment, just like they have in Ireland, where the unemployment rate is 15%.

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libsrsic

5:03 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Ruth, even if you were right, which you are not, I'd say 15 % unemployment is better than the 25.1% unemployment rate they have in Greece, which is where this country is headed if this president gets a second term.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

8:54 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Wait, Ruth, let me get this right...You are spending 133% of your salary each year and going deeper into debt. So, you conclude that cutting your spending (austerity) would be a bad thing but spending ever more of what you don't have will solve your problem. Is that what you are saying? You do understand that government jobs create no wealth but only suck wealth and productivity out of the economy, correct? Please provide the logic for your conclusions.

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BALANCE THE BUDGET

10:12 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Obama is the 7-11 POTUS. For every 7 bucks we take in, he spends 11.

That’s like a family that makes $70,000 a year — and is already knee-deep in debt — blowing nearly $110,000 a year.

To illustrate this a bit differently, for every Jackson ($20) we’ve had available to spend under Obama, we’ve also borrowed a Hamilton ($10) and a Washington ($1) and spent those too.

The only thing is that, under Obama, we’ve (literally) spent the equivalent of 342 billion Jacksons, 342 billion Hamiltons, and 342 billion Washingtons — borrowing all of the Hamiltons and Washingtons.

@xxLouA

4:24 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

hey mt.....res.....nice call on that one.....some of the answers here are lot of B....oh well Jamie says it good also.....I was also a Dem until the last one with this same clown......and his ole lady.....
Go Rom

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PETER TROLENE

4:27 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Will someone please tell me what BHO was talking about last night. He sounded like a SNAKE OIL SALESMAN, all words and no substiance. What are his plans for
ILLEGAL IMG, REDUCED TAXES, REDUCED DEF, LOWERING UNEMPLOYMENT, GENERATING NEW HIGHER PAYING JOBS. All I heard was
words, NO PLANS...ALSO did anyone notice how BHO skirted the LIBYA question, he could not answer--WHO SIGNED OFF ON ADDITIONAL SECURITY..MR missed a GOBAL OPP ON THAT QUESTION, he just had to ask BHO for an answer. DID he sign off, HILL, WHO DID, some low level security professional?

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@xxLouA

5:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

feeling good, how about you.....
Peter Trolene: How can anyone say a word about BHO's statements when he is not so sure himself what he said.....he don't have a clue.....maybe at the end when his wife whispered in his ear telling him what he said ...that's a pair that can beat a full house.....

Just the Facts

9:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Thanks for the article. I liked the read and although I see the point I cannot help but look at the results of the trickle down years. Take a look at the US Budget for 2012 Historical Tables and you'll see that the Reagan and Bush II approach did not result in an increase in receipts. You can measure it in dollars, percent of GDP, 2005 dollars, whatever you want the numbers are clear. You'll also see the deficit right along with the receipts. You'll see that the best years according to the numbers are from 1993 to 2000. I'm not giving up on BHO and his republican appointed Fed Chair Bernanke.

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Paul J. DiBartolo

8:49 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

JTF, please post a link where I can go to see the numbers that concern you (that way I don't have to search). Once I see what concerns you we can discuss it intelligently. Thanks.

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BALANCE THE BUDGET

9:09 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Paul - here is Obama's budget. check out table S4 look at the spending and deficits. The debt which is up 50% under Obama will nearly double in 10 years.

FACT- 2007 income tax and federal revenues were the highest EVER. this was under BUSH. Bush's problem was he allowed the spending to grow even faster. Spending more than you take in is BAD. Kids learn that in 1st grade.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/tables.pdf

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Paul J. DiBartolo

11:45 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Thanks, B-THE-B, I will look at it and report back here. I'm interested, in the face of the evidence put forth by Mr. Sowell, how anyone can keep up the party line and continue to denigrate Reagan's success as Trickle Down Economics.
BTW, everybody, we all know that the Senate has not passed one of Obama's budgets yet, Right? And his last submission was rejected 100-AGAINST and 0-FOR, right?
What then is the fascination with Romney putting out a detailed plan when our current president couldn't get one of his plans through a Democratically controlled Senate? In fact, it makes perfect sense, as Romney and Ryan have said, to put together a plan without all the minute details worked out and go to the Congress to put together something that will fly.
Please, somebody...anybody, tell me why this isn't a sensible idea?

@xxLouA

11:21 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Top Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:
1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura. Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.
2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.
3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
4. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT Sealed.
5. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today's America?
6. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church, didn't screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
7. Has a family of five great sons....and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America 's scorn.
8. Oh yes.....he's a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange Religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest. (Not all of us agree with some of their beliefs but he does believe in God)
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Paul J. DiBartolo

8:59 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Addressing #8...exactly what religious affiliations does our current president claim? Given he shunned any Christian-oriented affairs (aka, National Day of Prayer and Prayer Breakfast, etc.), which, BTW, I can live with - I understand he's our commander-in-chief not our pastor-in-chief - but what's with honoring all the Islamic holidays? That's what I don't get. Thanks for the list, Lou, but, as you know, some sheeple will never get it.

Frank Taylor

12:01 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Mitt Romney is everything the mainstream media (including AOL/Huffington Post - the outfit that produces the Moorestown Patch) hate: a monogamous, successful, hard-working, drug-and-alcohol-free family man who perseveres and prospers and tries to help others. He's a nightmare to Hollywood (where are the drugs? the porn? the hatred? the anger? He's a GOOD PERSON! MAKE SOMETHING UP ABOUT HIM AND ASSASSINATE HIS CHARACTER!). I will be pleasantly surprised if he wins this election. We are a nation of takers: "I want what's mine and everybody else better give it to me! I don't want a job! I want a career with lots of money and prestige like Romney has - he's no better than I am!" Yes, he is. Frankly, there are two kinds of people in the USA - the spiteful, jealous, angry, entitled class who think they're as "good" as the other kind - the ones who do the work, take the risks, raise their families and help others. I loved this debate because it showed who these men really are: one who wants to work hard for people, and one who has a record he cannot defend. I look forward to the next debate, on foreign policy, where the president has made some short-sighted, buffoonish and tragic mistakes (that have led to people dying).

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@xxLouA

11:19 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

I like, thank you
also yw Paul

BALANCE THE BUDGET

10:34 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Report: Welfare government’s single largest budget item in FY 2011 at approx. $1.03 trillion

By CNN's Jack Cafferty

More than 100 million people in the United States of America get welfare from the federal government. 100 million.

46 million are on food stamps

Thanks OBAMA!!!

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libsrsic

8:21 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Don't worry, Bal the Bud, Obama has a plan for that... Value Added Tax, Expiring tax rates on Jan 1, and just for giggles... skyrocketing utility prices!!!

@xxLouA

11:05 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Joe says Romney twist facts and a number of people have to reread to change their slanted memories...WOW. maybe you need to reread what your saying b4 commenting and say everyone is wrong.. Biden was a pretty good guy years ago but I think he changed a bit. BHO says "NOT TRUE" to almost everything Romney says. BTW, I am a Dem also but not voting that way since last elections.
Anyway, this gets us no where....you have your opinion ce le vie.......

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Joe

2:32 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

First, I am not sure that I ever said anybody was "wrong". I think the fairly obvious point of what I typed was that some people are completely unobjective and it prevents meaningful political debate in this country. I understand that, on certain issues, a "by-the-letter" Democrat and a "by-the-letter" Republican will NEVER agree - examples might be abortion or defense spending. But on almost everything else there is little dividing the two parties; yet you would think that you are asking someone to cut off their right arm rather than admit the other side has a point on something.

Second, you obviously missed the part where I said Obama twisted facts as well. I would suggest you re-read my post but what is the point.

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BALANCE THE BUDGET

2:48 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Joe do Democrats support defense spending? If not, are you saying Democrats are ok increasing unemployment by gutting the military and companies that sell products and services to defense contractors? Are these jobs not worth Democrats time?

BALANCE THE BUDGET

11:51 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012

JOBLESS claims soar to 4 MONTH HIGH!!!!

Last Thursday morning, the headlines on National Public Radio were jubilant. "Jobless Claims Drop To Lowest Level In More Than Four Years," they crowed. NPR's anchors repeated the news in their hourly and half-hourly updates. The sudden, seasonally-adjusted drop--from 369,000 to 339,000 new claims--was touted by NPR and the rest of the mainstream media as timely evidence of economic recovery under President Barack Obama.

This week, jobless claims have soared to 388,000--a four-month high. NPR explained, correctly, that both changes were largely the result of the fact that California failed to process all of its jobless claims last week and therefore submitted an incomplete report that was rectified this week. But it did not bother to revisit its cheerleading from the week before, nor did it try to imply broader conclusions about the direction of the economy under Obama. The headline is: "Jobless Claims Take Sharp Jump: Rose By 46,000 Last Week."

Unlike the Energizer Bunny....still working.....

Obama's polices and people are still NOT WORKING!!!

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@xxLouA

8:19 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Diane you got it all wrong.....listen to what lib and others are telling you here....don't fall for that stuff BHO is passing around..... look around here a bit more might help ...good luck

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BALANCE THE BUDGET

8:42 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Sound bites and phrases like hope and change or forward don't get it done!

Talk is cheak......so cheap that 4 years ago Obama said a lot of fancy things like change will come.

How come after 4 years of failure, Obama is saying exactly the same things and expecting us to believe him THIS TIME.

Did he forget to do any work between golf rounds and vacations.

25 million unemployed don't have any more time. $16 trillion in debt doesn't give our children any more time. We can't afford any more Obama time and lies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZgQhnNRSuw

Let's hold him to his own words. HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0

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libsrsic

9:12 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

BTW, it's encouraging to read here that some Democrats are putting Country first before party.

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Will Smith

9:55 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Wow, amazing how the right seams to be running scared after this debate. You all sound like sore losers. your boy got beat, deal with it.

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chris

10:45 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Yeah ok Will, as the vast majority of poll's clearly indicate the only one who is going to be beaten is the Celebrity in Chief.

Deal with it.

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@xxLouA

10:52 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Will:
ok deal with it all he told is more lies same as he said in 2008 look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZgQhnNRSuw then tell us more OK
Chris put it nicely Cell in chief.....

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Paul J. DiBartolo

9:28 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

Hey, Will, if we're lucky we can hope for a double-dip recession and gas prices will go back down under $2.00...There is help, BTW, for what's bothering you.

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Will Smith

8:29 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

LouA, you want LIES,
Well lets get to know who Mitten$ RMoney really is ........
The 2012 Nominee Mitt is......
Anti-immigration,
pro-life,
anti-tax,
anti-Affordable Care Act,
pro gun rights,
anti-gay marriage -
a solid man strongly committed to solid conservative causes.
Or he's a liar.
Why?
Because 2004 Governor Mitt is ....
pro-choice,
pro-universal health care and the individual mandate,
not afraid to raise taxes,
open to gay marriage,
concerned about climate change -
a solid man strongly committed to solid liberal causes.
Or he's a liar.

The thing about Mitten$ that people cannot know (and, I don't even think he does) is-which side of the political spectrum he's truly on.
The only thing, the ONLY thing, you can really know about Mitt is ..... that he is a liar.
And sadly, my friends, that's the indisputable truth

BALANCE THE BUDGET

10:41 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Yeah, we're scared.....the left has TURNED!

the Orlando Sentinel expressed strong disappointment in Obama's record of performance:

Economic growth, three years into the recovery, is anemic. Family incomes are down, poverty is up. Obama's Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, highlighted these and other hard truths in this week's second debate.

Even the September jobless numbers deserve an asterisk, because more than 4 million Americans have given up looking for work since January 2009.

And while the nation's economy is still sputtering nearly four years after Obama took office, the federal government is more than $5 trillion deeper in debt. It just racked up its fourth straight 13-figure shortfall.

We have little confidence that Obama would be more successful managing the economy and the budget in the next four years. For that reason, though we endorsed him in 2008, we are recommending Romney in this race...

We reject the innuendo that some critics have heaped on the president. We don't think he's a business-hating socialist. We don't think he's intent on weakening the American military. We don't think he's unpatriotic. And, no, we don't think he was born outside the United States.

But after reflecting on his four years in the White House, we also don't think that he's the best qualified candidate in this race.

We endorse Mitt Romney for president.

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BALANCE THE BUDGET

11:32 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012

Latest news....

In another hard hitting interview what after being on the View and Letterman, Obama told Jon Stewart that the "when four Americans get killed, it's not Optimal"

American Deaths due to your negligence are "not optimal"

you know what's also "not optimal" lying about some internet video and covering up their deaths so you can try and get reelected.

Try meeting with the real press and telling us why you lied about the 9/11/12 attacks and blamed them on some idiotic video. We want the truth.

You are an embarrassment to the USA! Go ask Biden how many men and women lost their lives in IRAN like he said today.......can you two be any dumber?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/10/world/libya-attack-statements/index.html

Obama cannot be trusted

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Paul J. DiBartolo

8:34 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

The best that can said to this guy, B-THE-B, is...
"Don't let the door hit you in the 'derriere' on the way out." (Given his fascination with European socialism I though he would prefer the French manner of speaking;-)

D. H.

11:30 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

There were only losers in the debates. The American Citizens!

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libsrsic

11:35 am on Friday, October 19, 2012

If Romney is elected by January 2013, gas will probably be back down to $2.50/gal.
(that is, as long as Obama doesn't sign a treaty with the U.N. in the lame duck session to allow them to tax our energy. According to Dick Morris, this is something the president is planning to do.) Any one want to venture a guess what gas prices will be, barring any UN involvement, after Mitt's inaugurated ?

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Joe

12:03 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

An honest question - does anybody here REALLY believe that the President of the United States, whoever he or she is, has control over what gas prices are?

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Paul J. DiBartolo

7:32 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Did the president of the United States veto the Keystone Pipeline? Did the president of the United States cut in half the number of permits to drill on federal lands and in federal waters? Did the president complain about oil companies (most of them small) that get federal subsidies to the tune of about $2 billion dollars a year and then preside over an administration that gave away $90 billion to Green Start-ups, many of which went bankrupt, and run by campaign bundlers for his 2008 presidential campaign? Did the president of the Untied States say that you could open a new coal plant but then add that you would probably go bankrupt doing so? Did the president preside over such massive restrictions on producing energy via coal that he could actually make the previous statement a reality?
You're asking the wrong question, Joe.

libsrsic

12:15 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Yes I do believe a President's energy policy effects gas prices:
After Bush lifted the drilling moratoria gas prices tanked: $4.00/gal July 21, 2008 to $1.63/gal Dec 29, 2008 http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/xls/pswrgvwall.xls
... and gasoline prices did NOT start up until Obama abruptly by executive order CANCELED the Republican Administrations plans to drill in FEBRUARY 11, 2009...as soon as he took office he dropped BUSH's announced plan and the gas took off never to return...
Jan 26, 2009 $ 1.83/gal to $2.73/gal Jan 25, 2010 to $3.11/gal Jan 2011 to $ 3.52/gal Jan 30, 2012 http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/xls/pswrgvwall.xls...

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Anthony

1:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

I think that a President's policies can affect gas prices (to an extent), but I think that the relationship of the lifting of the drilling moratoria to the decline in gas prices from July 2008 through December 2008 is at best a spurious correlation considering the economic conditions at that time. It would be just as easy to say that because Bush lifted the drilling moratoria in July 2008, Lehman Brothers collapsed and mutual funds broke the buck that September.

Let's take it easy on the 1:1 correlations and data mining to support our points. A President's policies can have an effect on prices, just like other factors can have an effect, like global demand (esp. from India and China), production and cost of substitute fuels, production efficiencies, and literally countless other factors. You can make up your mind to support a position and find the data to back it up, or take the time to actually diagnose a situation and realize the correct answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

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libsrsic

1:48 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

I disagree with this: "It would be just as easy to say that because Bush lifted the drilling moratoria in July 2008, Lehman Brothers collapsed and mutual funds broke the buck that September."
With all the president did during his term to shut down drilling and not go forward with the Keystone XL, you call it data mining to come up with an historical conclusion? Look, we were no where near as hostile to the energy industry before Bush lifted the moratoria as Obama is now, and rates still dropped precipitously!
And even if the answer is "some where in the middle", that's something that would make a big difference in gas prices!

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Anthony

3:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

It was an example of how correlation is not causation – not a statement of fact.

Let’s look not just at the Keystone XL, but at global reserves. If you took ALL of the estimated proven reserves in Canada (≈175.2 Billion bbl) and the U.S. (≈20.6Billion bbl) they still would comprise only around 13% of world reserves. So clearly, it’s not going to make a “big difference” in the world’s supply/demand balance.

Gas prices decline because of the introduction of new supplies, but they also decline because of new production technologies, substitutions, and reduction in the use in production processes. These factors are generally offset by the fact that global supplies are finite, demand for storable commodities such as gas is rising, and demand from China and India is rising dramatically.

Most of the fluctuation in oil prices comes from the demand side of the equation, not the supply side. On a global scale, the supply-side shifts are small and are slower to respond then the demand fluctuations. So as demand rises for a finite supply, the price of oil is bound to rise.

So the answer to your question is still no, it would not make that much of a difference.

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libsrsic

3:50 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

It's going to make a HUGE difference! I'm sticking with my bet that prices will be down to $2.50/gal in Jan. Anthony, I understand that there are other factors that will affect price, but not to the extent a new administration would change things in this case. Besides, you don't give me any references or links, just some gobbly gook speak. So...if what you're saying is true that if the demand rises for a finite supply, the price of oil is bound to rise,....won't an increase in supply be apt to lower the price? Has demand significantly increased in China and India since 2008?

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Anthony

4:42 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Since above looks like “gobbly gook”, I’ll restate my point simpler for you.

There is a whole lot of oil in the world. If you took it all out of the ground at once, only 13% of it would come from the U.S. and Canada. Pulling it all out isn’t going to increase the world’s "big bucket of oil" that much. But it will bring the price somewhat lower.

Other things that will also bring the price lower are: using less oil to make stuff, and using other energies, because then we will demand less oil.

The problem is, the bucket of oil isn’t getting any bigger, and when it runs out, it’s gone. Some people even like to hold oil in warehouses and wait for the price to go up before they sell it. The biggest issue though is China and India. They have 8x as many people as we have here in the U.S., and their economies are growing at about 10% a year! So they are growing a lot, and they have needed lots and lots of oil in the process.

Economics teaches that people who want oil drive the price more than the people who supply oil. This is because while it takes a long time to build a pipeline and drill for oil, it doesn’t take very long for people to just decide they want more or need more oil.

Since the world’s oil bucket is getting smaller and smaller, and people want oil more and more, the price of it is going up, and will keep going up.

Hopefully this answers your questions and clears up any misconceptions.

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libsrsic

5:13 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

You raise some good points that we must consider. However, they are finding more and more oil reserves all the time. The bucket of known oil and natural gas is actually growing. Not too long ago they found the huge resource in N. Dakota. We have to rely on oil and gas until we can actually use and improve "other energies" which won't be for a long time. A Romney administration, I believe will encourage the energy sector to find more natural resources. The green energy sector is not ready to replace natural resources, as we have seen with the multitude of bankrupt solar companies despite billions of dollars of tax payer money.

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Anthony

5:45 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

I think that's well stated and thought out. But if demand continues to grow at a rapid pace in China and India, the timeline will be unfortunately relatively short, even if we find more and more oil. But over the long-run, we will have to eventually find a replacement (maybe they'll figure out a way to harness nuclear energy safely).

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SpeakUPNJ

9:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Obama refuses to admit his Libyan Ambassador Assassination cover-up lies to this day. He's a useless drone ideologue with a narcissist complex and the backbone of a snail. But the sad part is this weak character President, that does not attend his own White House Security Briefings because he is too busy campaigning 24/7, goes on the Daily Show(news with a comedian host) to discuss his foreign policy failures. Has he ever heard of a news conference or talking to the American people?( and I don't mean reading a campaign bullet point speech off a teleprompter in front of a handpicked crowd of Kool-Aid driven, giggling liberal zealots Please, America has had enough of the laughably dangerous amateur. He never had the resume to be a president. In fact we have never even been able to see his resume, even now. November 6, 2012....America must admit its biggest mistake in over 200 years and hire a real administration, with real leadership and know-how and get back to being the leader of the free world...respected, honored and feared.

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JerseyDevil

7:02 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

SpeakUPNJ I totally agree w/you. We have a prseident who is not worth the title. He prefers to vacation, golf, campaign (since the cheering base feeds his ego, more than he wants the JOB). He turfs the work off to his WH advisors like Jarrett, Axelrod, Carney...while he glad hands Hollywood dreck for cash. He talks down Christians in favor of defending misogynist Islamic child killers... His "administration" WILL go down in history...as the WORST ever...beating Carter...and that's going some!

Will Smith

9:28 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

I posted this earlier and had to post this one more time here so all you right wingers can see what bullsh** you are supporting. It's comical that you actually support this guy, I love it.

Well lets get to know who Mitten$ RMoney really is ........
The 2012 Nominee Mitt is......
Anti-immigration,
pro-life,
anti-tax,
anti-Affordable Care Act,
pro gun rights,
anti-gay marriage -
a solid man strongly committed to solid conservative causes.
Or he's a liar.
Why?
Because 2004 Governor Mitt is ....
pro-choice,
pro-universal health care and the individual mandate,
not afraid to raise taxes,
open to gay marriage,
concerned about climate change -
a solid man strongly committed to solid liberal causes.
Or he's a liar.

The thing about Mitten$ that people cannot know (and, I don't even think he does) is-which side of the political spectrum he's truly on.
The only thing, the ONLY thing, you can really know about Mitt is ..... that he is a liar.
And sadly, my friends, that's the indisputable truth

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Paul J. DiBartolo

8:29 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Here's your answer...Will,
Who really is Obama (and, BTW, where's Biden hidin'?)...
>Was anti-immigration and then overrode the Congress with other people's ideas...
>Anti-Life (supports aborting his own grandchildren to give his daughters a leg up in the employment market)...
>Pro-tax until the economy collapses (i.e., wants to redistribute your wealth)...
>pro-gun rights...
>was anti-gay marriage before Joe Biden outed him and he was forced to do a John Kerry...
>A poser who thinks he's God's gift to the world even though it's doubtful whether he even believes in God...
>His whole political career is built on lies...

Anytime you want to have a serious discussion concerning facts not fiction, I'm your huckleberry. Pick a point and state your argument and we'll see where it goes.
Now don't let the cricket chirping get so loud it deafens me, Will.

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JerseyDevil

8:50 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Paul... Will SEEMS to want to hold a magnifying glass to only those he disagress with. He should go back over what his favored candidate has presented...no matter how sparse that record is... WE have to do the job of vetting our representatives in government better and get their entire record. And vote the best we can.

"We would all like to vote for the best man but he is never a candidate." ~ Kin Hubbard

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JerseyDevil

8:53 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

Paul... Will SEEMS to want to hold a magnifying glass to only those he disagrees with. He should go back over what his favored candidate has presented...no matter how sparse that record is... WE have to do the job of vetting our representatives in government better and get their entire record. And vote the best we can.

"We would all like to vote for the best man but he is never a candidate." ~ Kin Hubbard

SpeakUPNJ

9:39 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Will, I saw it...so did everyone else. You got no replies because no one wanted to waste their time. But since I happen to be still here, and to unburden the others from your request, to satisfy you, I take the task. Let's cut right to your main point....as in because you said it , it must be true.
"The only thing, the ONLY thing, you can really know about Mitt is ..... that he is a liar. And sadly, my friends, that's the indisputable truth"
The only thing indisputable in your little diatribe was that you definitely have a PhD in bullsh** (your term). Pls consider that a compliment.

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Will Smith

9:43 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Seams I have one reply, typical.

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@xxLouA

11:15 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012

Will: the only thing here that is typical is YOU!!!!
Thank you SpeakUPNJ as you were correct in your assumption.
Not worth my time for this so-called (his term ) bullsh**
And in my words "it's not a compliment"
hagn

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theresa barnett

9:16 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012

was there anything left out,george washington,....abraham lincoln'....Global'....currency change,....One World Nation,.....give china two more years ,...goldand only three country's at this time can afford to buy gold suposively? this topic has drained me ,i think it ran it's course. thanks for the read.

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PETER TROLENE

3:46 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

This is to Will, Mitt is not anti immigration he is against, as the DEMS say, undocumented immigrants..Mitt is against illigel immigration.
Can anyone help me to understand what OBO was saying in regards to lower gas prices, seems to me that he said if the ecom gets better gas prices will go UP, or did
I mis-understand him? Also, can"t wait to see what LIE is is coguring up with his pals in DC on the LIBYA question..SOMETHING HE HASN'T ANSWERED YET!
a-- on Libya?

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@xxLouA

6:46 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012

I won't swear to that Pete T.about the Gas but thought I heard same thing. Anyways, as usual he will be conjuring up a lot more than the Libya deal.....he has become a comedian, he thinks, with the Romnesia bit......

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PETER TROLENE

4:59 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

xxLouA, Watch what happens tonight during the last debate. GUARENTEED that he says that he had to say "VIDEO" for security reasons. But please remember that when his "ONLY ACHIVING ACT" was getting OSOMA, he revealed that SEAL TEAM 6 PLUS ADDITONAL COMPUTERS AND PAPERS WHERE RECOVERED BY THE SEALS, he violated NATIONAL SECURITY PLUS THE SAFE BEING OF THE SEAL.........OBO should have been tried for TREASON

@xxLouA

6:48 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012

will be watching for sure PeteT. no doubt he will say anything and everything to get out of it. Can't say what i would like to say here...but can think it
:)

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