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That would be the dad that bailed when his son had difficulties? Must have been a lot easier on him than making sure his son has what he needed to deal with his issues. Hopefully Ray, you don't have children. They don't come with guarantees.

Soon genetic testing will be perfected and we can eliminate defective embryos.

All bad parents have excuses for why they screwed up their children

The mom must have been off her rocker too to have all these guns in here house knowing her kid was mentally unstable.... Someone needs to be accountable for these actions...Maybe the dad should pay...he knew his son was unstable,,,

And for the MEDIA....it was lets see what kid we can get on camera right after this happened...and I BLAME THE PARENTS FOR ALLOWING THERE KIDS TO BE ON TV......

I think some of you need to be in the medical field before you post judgement on ill ppl...and saying the dad is a lucky guy for getting out....He is just a father cause it takes a real man to be a daddy and care for his child well being...Ray must not have kids cause you obviously live in a self absorbed bubble.....

May those sweet babies RIP...sadly i knew one of the little girls...RIP sweet angel Catherine Hubbard xoxoxo

Something happened in a Scottish village near Sterling. The residents told the media to get lost (in not so many words) and leave the people alone to grieve

There was an incident in a
Scottish village near Sterling a few years ago a lot of children we shot to death. The villagers told the media to get out of the village and leave them alone.

TRUE!!! The "media" is all about the story & the gore...just like in Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry"..."is the head dead yet? Get the widow on the set" George Carlin said it best when he described ALL of us as wanting to "watch a car race or tuning into the news when there has been a disaster - just to see how many people died." That is , unfortunately, not far from the truth.

The father never bailed. They left on good terms, left his wife with a house that was paid off (over a million dollar home), alimony of 300,00.00 a year and fully insured for life. They were friends from the interviews with the family. She needed to get her son more help and she as a mother knew he had major issues. I feel as a mother if my son was that disturbed I would have gotten him help many years ago when she could not handle him. They did have the funds for doing that. The husband could only do so much and from what I have read on his own interviews he gave her everything to care for their son. When your children become violent and mean because of a defect as he was born with there is only so much a human being can take especially if they aren't getting the much needed help or med's they need. This is a response to Johnjcpa, comment. I don't believe in just up and leaving your child ever , we are all not born perfect but when someone is violent, disobedient and has other special needs then it is the responsibility of the parents to get them the much needed help they need to get by in life when the parents are no longer here.

With all due respect, as much as the mother was well compensated by her husband in the divorce, what did she do? Knowing she was alone, trying to raise a seriously troubled teenager, she buys a bunch of hand guns and what proved to be, the murder weapon...a military assault rifle, all the while knowing that this same seriously disturbed child was endlessly amusing himself playing violent video games. So, she then takes him to the gun range and teaches him how to "safely" use them...That's great parenting isn't it? We can all hide behind the 2nd amendment to protect our right to own guns but can someone please explain how legally purchasing those weapons kept her and the 20 kindergarten children safe?

@Curious. Absolutely the mother should not have taught her son how to use guns or purchase the weapons. But in her defense, I suspect the mother was still struggling over accepting that her son was seriously ill. Until several years ago the son was able to attend school and even attended a college. He was bright in addition to being very mentally ill. It is a hard thing for any parent to accept that their child is mentally ill – and especially with a son just twenty.
Nancy was probably the worse person to care for her son. Adam should have been placed either in a facility or in a program for the mentally ill where his condition could have been monitored by professionals. But often families are afraid to send mentally ill people to those places because of the many stories about mentally ill people are abused in them.
Nancy should have sought counseling to help her cope with her son’s illness. And of course she should have realized that the guns, at a minimum, should have been securely locked in a safe. If they were, twenty eight people would be alive today.
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@Stop. We know they were not securely locked up because Adam was able to access the guns and since he was not the owner of them he should not have had access to them.
Do you think gun owners should leave their weapons lying around the house so anyone can use them at anytime?

Jake, Patch provides the ability to delete and/or edit prior comments while you are signed-in. After "cutting" the comment you wish to edit, merely click on the "Delete" button in the upper-right hand corner of the comment box, and "paste" the comment back into the empty box. Then, before again clicking "Submit," edit it as you wish.

The deranged gunman was carrying his brother's id. But anyway, the more important thing is we as a nation have to enact laws that ban guns. No one has the right to take another's life.

And when someone who is intent on breaking the law is threatening to take the life of a family member of mine or my life, do I have any rights then?

Just another gift from the Bush Admin letting the automatic weapons ban expire what a guy
Did the Kids have any rights Paul?

Hey, Elaine, have you alerted Barry that you found another thing to blame on Bush? What a great DemoCRAPtic idea! How do you keep coming up with this stuff? I mean, the idiocy never stops.

Hey Elaine - you're now blaming Katrina on Bush? What happened to the incompetent mayor Nagin of New Orleans and the equally incompetent Governor Blanco? They were the ones responsible for that debacle. And your hero Obama had two years with complete Democrat control of Congress and did not reinstate the ban. And while you're at it, if Lanza rammed a car into a bunch of kids, or stabbed 20 kids, would you be for banning cars and knives? Typical liberal Democrat response - it's never the fault of the individual.

In the absence of malicious intent -- which doubtlessly is the case here -- the misinformation is protected by the First Amendment. See Times v. Sullivan.

Elaine you should know how the country works. States pass their own gun control laws it is not the role of the Federal Government.

camo boxer Paul

I know you dont like facts there Paul you know the fact youre a republicon but a hypocrite who receives SS and Medicare
The Assualt Ban expired under Bush in 2004
What a leader he went awol lied about Katrina and Iraq cut taxes that didnt create jobs that added to the debt not to mention medicare part d and the afghan war
all of this and you sit in the basement in your magic boxers in a tea party costume
youre a joke

True

Exactly what "cause" are you talking about ? Grow up Frankie boi,and unless you have walked a beat keep your foolish misspelled comments to yourself !

Frank, I think that is unfair to blame our law enforcement on going "overboard" They do personally get superior training and second this boy stole his brothers id so yes it was extremely confusing to all. IF you go into someone's wallet you are assuming that the persons id that you are pulling out is that person. The amazing law enforcement men and woman that investigated this did exactly what there superior training shows them to do. They secured everything and started their investigation. There were rumors flying like crazy due to misinformed individuals leaking false information to people. I personally heard 3 different stories from the morning until the evening hours from the media. I commend our great law enforcement in all the states for all their hard work. I ask you Frank, if you were on that scene with all that went on that day YOU WOULD HAVE KNEW THAT HE WASN'T THE RIGHT PERSON? I THINK YOU SHOULD GO INTO GOVERNMENT WORK THEN SINCE YOU ARE SUCH A GENIOUS AND WOULD HAVE CRACKED THIS CASE IN 5 MINUETS INSTEAD OF BASHING THE MEN AND WOMAN THAT HAD TO GO INTO THAT HORROR THAT DAY.

For once Paul, Totally agreed. All I needed was to hear that the event had occurred, and that it was over... nothing more..

Yep, they are almost as sick as the individuals who are against gun control.

Hey Pundit, how's the gun ban in Chicago working out? Would you feel better if the killer detonated a bomb?

Hey BS, I was not aware that Chicago had a total ban against guns. Would you still oppose gun control laws if a deranged gunman did his or her evil to the staff at the NRA headquarters? My god, twenty children are dead and you do not care.

My God Pundit, 20 kids are dead and you're using this tragedy to advance your political agenda....sick!

First off BS, I am not using this tragedy for my own political agenda. I am hardly the only one who supports a ban on guns. Besides, what about you? Are you claiming that you are not advancing your own political agenda after saying this “how's the gun ban in Chicago working out? Would you feel better if the killer detonated a bomb?”
20 children are needlessly dead.

sounds like you Paul since your an expert on the coverage

My question for Paul is this
are you watching the coverage in your tea party uniform or your camo boxers while hunkered down in your preppers basement

Tim, what do tea baggers have to do with any of this? Or Camo?

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Richard, if the agreements are secret how do you know about them?

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Google space aliens and kennedy conspiracy. Someone please put the tinfoil back around richards head.

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i would have to agree or armed security .Times are changing not always for the good ..Keep in mind gun laws are not stopping illegal or non registered weapons.The enemy came in to a school & took innocent lives ,That enemy can live next door to you or in the next town..WE ALL MUST BE VIGILANT...We all need to go home & give our children a hug

hey moron

you can carry in Pa FL and Tx do they still have violent crime? you betcha
There is no reason the average person needs automatic weapons sorry right wing nut jobs

Gee, Tim, the fact is that the "average person" has no access to fully "automatic weapons," so what are you talking about?

As the saying goes, "When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes." That is not a slam to the police. They can't be everywhere all the time - I wholeheartedly agree with "someday" that if in that state of CT where concealed carry laws were in effect but NOT ON SCHOOL GROUNDS, that these wackos with guns would think twice about walking into a place where they didn't know if the first person they came in contact with was carrying a gun or not. IN EVERY CASE OF MASS MURDERS (Columbine, Aurora, the recent mall shootings, Virginia Tech, etc), each one of these states had conceal carry but FORBID it in the venue that the shootings occurred. This tells us that the killers chose those places because THEY KNEW NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO SHOOT BACK. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

@Connie. I think Congresswoman Giffords, 6 killed and 13 others wounded would disagree with the last part of your statement.

Think, Thinker...when only the military and law enforcement have guns that is a military state. The whole reason the founding fathers were so adamant that the citizenry be armed was to guard against the eventual and incontestable encroachment of government on liberty that always occurs. Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Because that's how MK Ultra works. Hoodwink a young white male with mental issues.

According to police, there was only one rifle used: the Bushmaster(AR-15). The other rifle which really was a shotgun was in the trunk of his mother's car. . .and according to news reports: she took both sons to the target range. So does that make his older brother a future killer?

Some people know when to shut up...and then there's 'frank rizzo'. You're pathetic and I don't own an assault rifle. If I did it would be none of your business anyway. Given the nature and tone of your comments, you're the one I'd worry about going off the deep end. You'd appear a lot more intelligent if you said nothing but you just can't help yourself; I get it.

Frank,

Your posts are barely coherent, and full of misinformation. It is incredibly evident that you think that gun control is the magical solution to all of these problems, and you lack the ability to form complex thoughts. It must be terrible going through life forming 5th grade cause/effect relationships. Oh, the looks you must get whenever you voice your "opinion"

Do you remember the Oklahoma city bombing? 168 people, including 19 children, killed and another 450+ injured. THREE simple components that anybody off the street can purchase TODAY.

Rizzo - you are off of your meds again - google "rizzo off his meds" the sig sauer was a 9MM pistol. There was no ak47 - it was a simple rifle shooting .223 slugs which are less dangerous than the 9mm hollow points in the po po's glock (the other oh so dangerous weapon he carried)

Frank,

Not only did you get many of the details wrong, you did so with awful grammar.

Sara; I couldn't agree with you more...politics did not belong at the pray service for the families and the towns tragedy last night. If the President wanted to vent, he could have done it today, either on the morning TV talk shows or the daily press conference.

I agree with you Sara. Politicians are demons anyway, and are only looking for a way to shine in their political strategies

Sara

repeat after me
Mittens lost and I will get over it
The reason for this economy is republicon policies or lack there of
the debt thanks to the bush tax cuts which didnt produce jobs and the iraq war plus interest
the war in afghan which is also for NOTHING and medicare part d which is unpaid for
cut the military budget end all foreign aid

Tim the people in the straight jackets are on their way. Do not try and hurt yourself any further by using what is left of your small brain. Clueless people like you should be institutionalized just like the maniac shooter should have been. You're going to have to explain why if the Bush tax cuts don't work, then why do Obama and Democrats want to make them permanent? Based on your comments, if something didn't work for 12 years but now Liberals embrace it must mean you are all insane. Your padded room awaits.

Sara is wise.

The misery started during the Bush admin
the same Bush admin that let the ban on assault weapons expire you know the one St Ronnie was in favor off

@Elaine. The Columbine shooting occured during the Clinton assault weapons ban. Do you want to blame President Clinton? I'm not sure of your point.

rfm Google assault weapons ban put down the Bush pom poms
Bush and the republicons had both houses of Congress in 2004 and let the ban on assualt weapons expire its amazing the things you can find out try it

Tiny Minded Tim,

If the tax cuts didn't do anything, why would Obama and the idiots on the left want to leave them in place? If they didn't do anything as you say in the one sentence, then how do they do something such as prevent the economy from "tanking" in the next sentence?

See either they do nothing or they do something. They can't do both so pick which is it?

A. The Bush tax cuts do nothing
B. The Bush tax cuts will prevent the economy from tanking

Didn't Barry have 4 straight years of trillion dollar deficits? is that from Iraq or have you looked closely? Shhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone but its because of ENTITLEMENT SPENDING!!!!!

I just read an article that says in November the budget deficit was $170B for one month. Was this from Cheney too?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/12/3138998/us-budget-deficit-reaches-172b.html

Of course this is way off topic.

Stop Complaining- the President made it a political issue last night with his speech. . .so much for all the prays that were offered...

Now there's a novel idea...because the final report, based on what evidence the "experts' have collected and analyzed will definitely provide us with all the answers. Maybe we can reconvene the Warren Commission...I mean, they haven't come up with any comprehensive, bone-headed analyses since they definitively told us what happened to Kennedy.

@Paul DiBartlo - You want to reconvene the Warren Commission? Man alive you are out of it. Most, if not all, members of the Warren Commission are dead and you did not know it? You need to start following current events to add common sense to your posts.

@Pundit, I am sorry to say that you have shown yourself to be clueless. Do you not understand the use of sarcasm? I realize that the humor I tried to inject might be a little on the dry side but I would have thought the sarcasm would have been evident even to the most causal observer. It was quite blatant, after all.

@Paul DiBartolo. LOL! Heeheehee Actually Paul it is you that cannot tell sarcasm! I gotya.....LOL!

A legend in your own mind, Pundit. You'd be hard pressed to recognize sarcasm if it stood up and slapped you in the face. That's what makes this so much fun.

@ Paulie D. Of course you are right, Paul, I would not know sarcasm if it slapped me in the face. You are so much better at it than me. I should not even try to write sarcasm when dealing with a renowned intellect such as you. I have to confess, I was so disappointed with the GOP nominated Mittens simply because I knew you would have been the better candidate for president. Paul, you got it all over everyone else. Your position on gun control is absolutely right, you are so smart. The more insane gunman kill ordinary citizens the less people there are expecting government handouts. And we all should support the GOP’s commitment to protecting the very wealthiest from higher taxes even if it means eliminating social programs for the poor. The sooner they starve to death, it means less demands on the incomes like guys like you who earn over a million dollars a year, right Paul? Paul, you are my hero. And I do not know how to write sarcasm so I will not. How’s that sound, buddy!

Do yourself, and all of us, a favor, @Pundit, I will be publishing a blog next week on the Gloucester Township Patch on the 2nd Amendment...read it. From that point you can springboard off on gun control and we'll balance it against the truth of the 2nd Amendment. The Constitution is the Law whether you agree with it of not.
BTW, I'm flattered that you are so taken by my comments:-)

@Paul. I am so very happy you are so flattered by my comments.
You are my hero ;-)
You blabber on so well for someone who is not at all logical.

Keep saying it, @Pundit, eventually even you will believe yourself.

If only those in the Ft. Hood shooting had been armed and trained in the use of firearms (or had access to them at the time of the event), that tragedy may well have been prevented.

Is that what happened to the 'old West,' Complainer? We only need armed guards where government-types are concerned...the rest of us are expendable. Besides, you can call the police and they will keep you safe.

I bet you're proud of yourself after that. Why are you wasting your time here? You could probably get a job writing for Chris Matthews or Bill Maher. Your logic is flawless and your arguments the epitome of the best ancient Greek wisdom.

You joke about the knife laws. Get caught in NJ carrying any knife in your pocket with a blade longer then 3 inches and see what happens. And it better not be a switch blade or even have the little nubs that make it easier to open. That's even more trouble. God forbid you might be able to defend yourself in this state, beyond punching someone in the face. Which of course you can't do unless they hit you first.

What a fricken joke the BS politicians waste time on in this country.

Ban welfare. Lock up the socio paths with no feelings or empathy and then we can talk about banning assault weapons.

Your idiocy astounds me, Elaine, BTW, try a spelling-grammar-punctuation checker, it would give your posts a lot more credibility. Let me guess...you either dropped out of high school or received a diploma from a New Jersey high school...essentially the same thing.

Wow, you can't even get your facts correct with your Bushamania. Democrats controlled Congress when the assualt weapon ban expired in 2004.

Columbine HS had two security guards, neither armed. Bush was elected president 7 months after the Columbine Massacre, but it was the same year, 1999, and he did campaign in CO so the killings were obviously his fault.

You're confusing the issue with too many facts, Parker. Indeed, you are creating overload for Elaine. You must stay with the DemoCRAPtic talking points for Elaine to follow along.

U who Parker

What party controlled congress in 2004?

Answer:

The 108th Congress was in session in the years 2003-2004. In that Congress, Republicans held both the House of Representatives and the Senate, albeit by a thread.

The House of Representatives of the 108th Congress consisted of 227 Republicans and 210 Democrats, with one Democrat-leaning Independent and two vacancies.

The U.S. Senate of the 108th Congress consisted of 51 Republicans and 48 Democrats, with one Democrat-leaning Independent

and thats a fact Jack be right back gotta check Columbine but my guess is youre wrong again

@Parker. And how do you propose we fund the additional facilities for treating the mental ill? You gun nuts also want to cut all social funding and cut taxes on millionaries.

Reagan is the one who closed mental institutions. Right wingers hate Medicaid as it is and want to gut Medicare so I doubt that they would want to fund a mental health program.. Aspergers' is not a mental illness, autism does NOT cause violence; it's a developmental disorder, not a mental illness. Again, autism is a developmental disorder and NOT a mental illness. You are very ill informed.

Autistic people have no feelings, no empathy - they are nuts. They lack the basic spark that makes us human. They need to be locked up. We should definitely not try to educate them with regular kids and waste scarce resources.

In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."

Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him

you girls might wanna google Congress 2004 youd be surprised it was REPUBLICONS WHO HAD BOTH HOUSES BUT why let these pesky facts get in yer way of spewing lies

Joe, stop the knee-jerk reaction to bash Reagan. The push to close mental health institutions came from the liberal left many years ago. The facilities weren't humane enough. They believed those with mental health issues can be treated in the community with supportive services. But with no one there 24-7 to make sure they took care of business, like taking their meds, the service plans failed and people became homeless. To this day the majority of our homeless have either a drug/alcohol or a mental issue. My opinion is based on 32+ years as a social worker dealing with these clients and programs [entitlements] designed to help them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban

@ Elaine - Although you are correct that the school had an armed security officer on staff. You are incorrect in stating he was at the school.
Doesn't do much good having an armed guard, when he's over at the Subway shop.
And the second officer they mention in reports was a few blocks away writing a ticket. So neither on one theses guys was anymore effective then calling 911.
They arrived on scene after the Klebold and Harris were already in the school with weapons.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm
Officer Gardner was coing back from picking up lunch when the first call came in.
Gardner, Columbine's school resource officer, was coming back from getting lunch at a nearby Subway sandwich shop when, at 11:15 a.m., the first call for help came over his radio.
He was responding to a "female down" call when he spotted Harris at the school doors. At 11:24 a.m., Harris emptied his 10-round rifle at the deputy from 60 to 70 yards away, striking two nearby police cars.
Gardner returned four shots from his .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol before Harris disappeared into the school.

Shooting at a moving target 60-70 yds away with a handgun would be tough for even the best shooters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html
"The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket."

How many anti-gun nuts have committed mass murders?

Let's say that zero anti-gun nuts have committed mass murders. Does that necessarily mean that gun collectors/enthusiasts commit mass murders? The logical answer, of course, is no. If the intent is to prevent mass murders, it does not make much sense to target law-abiding gun owners/collectors/enthusiasts with additional gun control laws. The law does not stop people with severe mental illness or criminal intentions from doing whatever they please.

If lanza's mother had done the right thing and had him locked up years ago this would have never happened. Of course a mother would say these things. It doesnt make them right. Guns are not to blame. Mental illness and "developmental disorders" are to blame. You can call them anything you want - but look at it loughner, lanza, cho seung hui, jimmy holmes - psychotic, autistic, schizo - no feelings, no empathy. How many more have to die?

It's so sad to read the comments from Parker and some others regarding mental illness. I think (I hope) that they are only doing this to stir the pot because if they really believe this nonsense they are spewing, they are truly in some kind of personal denial about themselves. They are using such a broad brush to paint anyone with any kind of emotional or mental disorder as a potential killer that it is beyond the scope of any rational thought. This whole inane concept of lock them all up goes back to what was done in Nazi Germany. This is no longer a gun issue but how to deal with people with emotional disorders...Not everyone is violent...Judging by the statements that someone like Parker makes, he is the one who should be locked up. He sounds more unhinged than most of other people he's talking about. The issue is about guns. Other countries around the civilized world have similar emotionally disturbed people. They all have the same access to the violent video games and movies but we don't hear about mass murders in those countries because they have very strict gun laws. Yes, there was the awful murder of children in a camp in Norway (I think) a couple of years ago but that was an exception. The reason we have so many incidents in the US is because guns are so easy to get hold of, either from one's home or friends or open gun shows and in many cases background checks aren't enforced. Anyone who thinks differently has their head in the sand.

Barney & Joe R - By the lack of feelings and sympathy in his words, it looks like Parker is just voicing his anger at himself for being afflicted with autism. Typically those afflicted with a mental illness are those most angry at the disease – it is understandable. The best response to him is with compassion and assurances.

@ Joe R

do you think Paul and Parker could google assault weapons ban and tell us who was President and why this ban was put in place

Since I already posted about the armed guard at Columbine and who made up congress in 2004 and who the President was in 2004 that let the ban expire
hint he has not shown his face much

Elaine,

English please.

Regards,

B-Licous and family

@Elaine - you posted incorrect information about the armed guard. He wasn't at the school until after the attack started.

Elaine- the sheriff's deputy was 60 yards from Eric Harris. Even Harris who was firing on the deputy couldn't hit him. Pistol range practice sets targets at 20ft. How accurate could a pistol be at 60 yards? If deputy Gardner wasn't there, Harris would have killed more people in the parking lots...

No, Elaine posted incorrect information. The armed guard was out getting lunch when the attack started. He was no more effective then calling 911.

Red necks you say?

Is this double standard disparaging ethnic name appropriate for a bleeding heart tree hugging liberal mooch?

Doesn't this go against what LIBBIES stand for?

You say red necks?

Lefty libs scream about pro-choice and that the general public has to provide for the greater good.. where is MY choice, where is MY hand out, why do you want it BOTH ways...because your a bunch of lazy ,money mooching,scum.

Ha, call us rednecks. But I'll tell you this. When sh*t like hurricane Sandy or Katrina hits. You won't see us crying to news cameras begging for government help.
And nobody will be coming by our houses thinking they can steal something.
We'll be the prepared neighbors you'll be coming to looking for help.

And while we're at it ,lets restrict your ability to speak freely. You need it.

Oh, well then clearly looking into it further is a waste of time. The Gov has spoken.
Could you ask him to contact the Moorestown BoE and tell them to get rid of the township Police Officer stationed at the HS. No need for him.

Why would we have to arm movie theaters? Let's understand something about the Aurora, CO, theater massacre. The were six movie theaters within 20 minutes of where the Aurora killer originated. Colorado is a Right to Carry state and of the six theaters within range the Aurora killer chose the only one of the six that was "gun free" even though it wasn't the closest. Now, tell me again why we need armed guards at movie theaters?

One of several news reports regarding Gov. Christie's response to the NRA:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) on Friday said he disagrees with the idea of putting armed guards in schools, saying there should be better ways to ensure student safety.

“In general I don’t think that the solution to safety in schools is putting an armed guard because for it to be really effective in my view, from a law enforcement perspective, you have to have an armed guard at every classroom,” Christie said, according to NorthJersey.com. “Because if you just have an armed guard at the front door then what if this guy had gone around to the side door? There’s many doors in and out of schools.”

Christie was responding to reports of the National Rifle Association’s call earlier in the day for armed security in schools. He said he doesn’t “necessarily think having an armed guard outside every classroom is conducive to a positive learning environment.”

“You don’t want to make this an armed camp for kids,” he said. “I don’t think that’s a positive example for children. We should be able to figure out other ways to enhance safety.”

No he wasn't there when it started. I guess you missed me posting this numerous times. He was off campus getting lunch. He raced back to the school when the first 911 call came in.
Try to keep up with the conversation.

PS- if you plan to quote Gardner on his thoughts. Be sure to include that he also feels schools should have armed guards.

I guess you may have missed this morning on "Meet the Press," ultra-conservative Republican US Senator Lindsey Graham -- NRA supporter, anti-gun control advocate and proponent of armed guards at schools -- nevertheless voluntarily conceding, as he should have, that "there was an armed guard at Columbine and it didn't work."

Donald- I commented above on what happened with the deputy Sheriff at Columbine. You got to get all the facts before you spin the story into your rhetoric. 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban didn't work!

Please tell it to Senator Graham, not me.

@Donald, yeah i did miss it. not that it would matter. I only care about what one person said.
Officer Gardner. And he admiited in interviews he wasn't at the school when the Harris and Klebold came in .
Please explain how effective a guard is when he's out picking up lunch ?

For Steve and Donald: A quote from the interview with Gardner.

"Officer Gardner was coing back from picking up lunch when the first call came in.
Gardner, Columbine's school resource officer, was coming back from getting lunch at a nearby Subway sandwich shop when, at 11:15 a.m., the first call for help came over his radio.
He was responding to a "female down" call when he spotted Harris at the school doors. At 11:24 a.m., Harris emptied his 10-round rifle at the deputy from 60 to 70 yards away, striking two nearby police cars.
Gardner returned four shots from his .45-caliber semi-automatic pistol before Harris disappeared into the school."

Steve-where did you come up with the "facts" that there were several guards at the school ? I've read several accounts of that day. Nothing anywhere mentions anyone other then Gardner ( who we know wasn't at the school until after trouble started) and another officer that was nearby who came to help him within a few minutes of his calls for backup.

Please post links. Thanks.

"So why did the killer pick the Cinemark theater? You might think that it was the one closest to the killer’s apartment. Or, that it was the one with the largest audience.
Yet, neither explanation is right. Instead, out of all the movie theaters within 20 minutes of his apartment showing the new Batman movie that night, it was the only one where guns were banned."
(http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/did-colorado-shooter-single-out-cinemark-theater/#ixzz2FolObig7)
BTW, it was reported that people were laying at the gunman's feet with hot shells falling on them and no one thought to get up and intervene. Indeed, there were people behind the gunman, who would have had extremely limited vision due to wearing a helmet of some type, who also did nothing.
So, he planned everything else out but picking the theater was just a random event. You make what you will of the situation, Joe R., but you might just be the biggest CLUELESS FOOL of all! Wait, I know, we'll wait for the "official" report, I'm sure that'll have all the facts and clear it all up.

Such obiter-dicta sarcasm adds nothing to a thoughtful discussion about a gravely serious issue.

Or it highlights how idiotically pretentious it is to imagine that laws will restrain the lawless.

WTF, are all you people idiots. I posted a link that has Gardner explaining.
Yes, Gardner in an interview.

HE WASN"T AT THE SCHOOL !

I have read the reports and seen the interviews. Sheriff Gardner was indeed "at the school." He directly engaged one of the two Columbine murderers from the school's own parking lot, taking cover behind a parked car, firing numerous shots PRIOR to the killing of ALL but two of the victims by the pair. He was promptly on the scene because he was one of several armed guards assigned to the school and was eating his lunch.

Stop trying to change the facts.
He was off campus getting lunch. He drove back once the first call came in.
At that point he is in no better position to protect the kids then all the other officers that arrived. The second officer they are talking about was also blocks away writing a ticket. he arrived a few minutes after Gardner.
This info came directly from Gardner himself.
There were no other armed guards at the school.
Again, stop trying to change facts.

Just this morning on "Meet the Press," ultra-conservative Republican US Senator Lindsey Graham -- NRA supporter, anti-gun control advocate and in favor of armed guards at schools -- nevertheless voluntarily conceded, as he should, that "there was an armed guard at Columbine and it didn't work."

Joe,

You might as well pick up a glock and save your breath.

Go back to regulating 16 oz. slurpies with Bloomberg.

Guns are here to stay.

B-Licous.

So, when the facts don't fit your scenario and you can't formulate an intelligent response about that subject you change the subject just to keep things interesting, I suppose?

Another pundit who uses phrases such as, "Some estimate that,,,," and seems to know everything except little things like there are actually plural verbs. You see, if you'd kept your opinion to yourself, no one would have known how ignorant you really are.

>> "... even if someone had a gun, it probably would have been impossible to get a clear shot."
And you know that exactly how, Joe R? There were people laying at the shooter's feet being burned by the ejection of hot shells and there were others behind him and you're telling us that it would have been impossible for any of them to get off a clear shot. Incredible. Do you read and think about what you write?

Exactly what is the worth of two extra lives saved, Joe R? Would you say that to save two extra lives it would be worth you sacrificing 90% of any income you could amass for the rest of your life? Or are they not worth quite that much to you? Just wonderin'?

I have been trying to get ammo and it is sold out everywhere.

The slaughter of 26 people is just one big joke to you. Ha, ha, ho, ho, I can shoot until my brains fall out.

I have never been there. I will stop by after Kwaanza. Thanks.

Wrong.

Yeah that's going to resolve things. . .continue to vilify the NRA. Sorry to bust your bubble...but gun violence in this country encompasses a whole lot more than their punctuated one liners selling newspapers...

Oh, you needn't stop with the front-page one-liners. I commend to you the entire articles regarding the NRA's "gun control plans" in yesterday's New York Post, the New York Daily News and, especially, the New York Times. They all substantially agree, for once, that the NRA's "plans" are the work of a misinformed, tone-deaf, politically motivated organization that is funded by the gun lobby. Many of the posters here apparently hold the same extreme views as those vilified yesterday throughout the nation and the world, including by much of the conservative media.

A "lobby" generally refers to any group seeking political favor. In this case, my intent was the gun manufacturers. However, you are correct, referring to the NRA as "the gun lobby" would also be proper. By the way, Mr. LaPierre receives close to one million dollars a year in compensation, which is provided by the "gun lobby," in both its senses. Further by the way, Murdoch's conservative New York Post also referred to the gun lobby's frontman yesterday as an "NRA loon."

Hey Donald,

How about we ban Democrats from using guns?? It's a start.

This way all of the inner city murderers that voted for Obama will no longer have guns.

Right?

B-Lish

This guy donald cracks me up. He really needs to find someone to talk to in real life.

Actually if you'd pay attention you'd note that my posts have mostly been about ways to better protect the kids at schools.
As for guns - wasting your time going after the AR15 variants. Go look up the facts about these types of shootngs and firearm homicides in general if you don't believe me. You'd be much better served getting rid of handguns.
I don't care what any newspaper says. They cater to fools like you.

PS- I don't own an AR15

PSS- I don't pray. I'm agnostic.
Here's a defintion since I'm sure you don't know the meaning.
a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

mtwnres- wasting your time. This blogger lives in his own world of reality...facts like you and other pose are irrelevant. The fact that two studies and the FBI found no correlation between a reduction in homicides attributable too these so called assault weapons during the 10 year ban. I posted links to those findings above. . .but of cause these diehards don't want to read the truth. Instead; in part, they try to drop "guilt trips" on anybody who doesn't agree with them.

Just round up all the nuts in schools that are using all of the scarce resources and send them to china and let them cure them.

We had a ban on assault weapons but in 2004 the republicon congress and Bush let it expire because every bible thumper needs an assualt weapon

In case you forgot, it's the 26 slaughtered humans that has broken the camel's back.

Ooooo, better look out! The SUBURBAN LIBBIES are all dressed in their camo and hiding in the salad bar. Gonna take your guns if you don't watch out!

You are exactly right. All the losers in this area are posting their nonsense about why they oppose gun control. They get their jollies pretending that owning a gun makes up for all of their shortcomings as a man.

You are hitting the eggnog too early. Time to sleep it off, Barney.

More Americans are buying firearms in record numbers.

Oh how these SUBURBAN LIBERALS like to trade our children's innocence for their blood thirsty money:

Q: The movie is akin to "Inglourious Basterds" in that it's a kind of historical fantasy, only rooted more in reality. The graphic depiction of slavery is astonishing, like the scene in which Calvin Candie forces two men to fight to the death with their bare hands for his amusement.

A: I was always aware those things existed. Mandingo fighting, which is what we call it, was part of the underbelly of slavery. It would be a perfect vice for Candie to indulge in, watching two men are fighting to death like dogs. Part of the idea behind Candie was he owns one of the biggest cotton plantations in the South, but he's a fourth-generation Candie. He doesn't care about the agriculture and the cotton anymore. The plantation runs itself by this point. So he's this petulant boy emperor, this southern-fried Caligula. He finds hobbies and vices and pleasures to indulge in to keep him entertained.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/24/3155525/quentin-tarantinos-django-unchained.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

He used stolen weapons that his mother bought. The laws stopped him from buying his own firearms.

Let's be sensible Joe R.

Is it the help of your crutch media, or do you really believe most liberals want to ban guns?

Answer: it's the URBAN LIB media and the USA really doesn't want to see guns go.

Many LIBS ( both SUBURBAN and URBAN) own guns and are not into letting their rights go. In fact many are responsible, although the URBAN LIBERALS are less responsible and more often have illegal guns than legal.

So pinch yourself and wake up from another tree hugging dream and realize - guns are here to stay.

Teach your own fellow URBAN LIBERALS to purchase guns legally and act responsibly.

The problem always goes back to the HOLLYWOOD SUBURBAN LIBERALS and the inner city URBAN LIBERALS.

Barney

No one is talking about disarming, that's a lie. No one is talking about banning all guns.

And who is Hollywood?

They are the core of the SUBURBAN LIBERALS we all know to well.

HOLLYWOOD brainwashed your children years ago in exchange for billions.

If guns were not around, kids like Adam Lanza will kill you another way.

This is why we need to protect from these VICOUS ROBOTS the LIBERALS have created.

They will kill you with a golf club if they have to.

They don't love their families. They are used to seeing murders every day on TV, games, and the movies.

They are the product of the GREEDY LIBERALS that now want to take the only thing you own to protect from these blood thirsty ROBOTS.

Barneylicioso

I agree completely. Nor am I for banning all guns. I understand accidents occur, but thats not what i meant. I am saying cars, or anything for that matter, can be used as weapons. That point is made all th time but without the understanding that someone with evil, bad, cruel, misguided or whatever intentions, will act upon them in whatever way they want for whatever reasons we might not quite understand. Thats all.

Timothy James "Tim" McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) detonated a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing, the attack killed 168 people( including 19 children) and injured over 800.

They deadliest attack ever committed against a school was also done using explosives. After it detonated the bomber returned with a truck loaded with more explosives and killed many of the first responders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Not to be rude, but I don't think you are getting it? Guns are not directly the issue. Im sure it wont be such a big deal if states start raising restrictions on gun ownership. People will complain and then it will blow over. Its not that no one wants to do anything, its simply just doing that isn't the answer. You are simply being challenged on that aspect. Some of those selfish gun owners are law biding good hearted citizens. Its not about the compromises, its about understanding why these things happen and approach those issues in a logical and fair way. Not pointing fingers and trying to prevent it from happening all together starting with the smoking gun. Fact is, these people that do this are unstable. Thats where we need to start.

"acts tough on the keyboard making sure he gets all his tough guy comments in"

Kettle , meet the pot.

No such thing as an assault rifle, is a made up word used by liberals to scare Americans into thinking guns are evil.

Um yes I know. But I figured with your limited comprehensions skills if I posted anything with more details you'd get confused. Parents always taught me to be kind to the handicapped.
Is it safe to assume you believe the info on Timothy McVeigh?

Here, maybe you can handle this light reading on the Bath school killings.
http://www.michmarkers.com/startup.asp?startpage=S0631.htm

"Cheese eater" - Ha, yeah, tons of us in Moorestown. Just living off the government.

Wonderful post!

All garbage, no one is talking about disarming the country. This is really getting stupid and old. NO ONE here has called for disarming the country and yet the yahoos keep bringing it up. Germany disarmed its citizens? They still had access to hunting rifles unless you were a persecuted minority. Ever heard of the Volkssturm? Towards the end of the war Hitler armed old men and teens with all kinds of weapons but I digress. No one is calling for disarming Americans or banning all guns, for the millionth time.

Jesus Joe, read your own words....THE END OF THE WAR. As in, when all hope was lost and it was evident the Allies would be victorious. It was a last ditch effort to save a totalitarian government that failed...like they all do.

Why did the federal government purchase $4.6 million dollars worth of hollow point ammo for domestic use?

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=311eb3ee003671285de8db1036b2b255&tab=core&tabmode=list&;=

...and durn Kennedy's too.

http://globetribune.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Gun-Control-1.jpg

Rizzo how many children die each time there is a drone strike? oh it doesn't matter as long as we get the bad guy? and now old purple lips wants to send troops to Africa to protect his extended family and cover his ass for not doing anything in Libya to protect our people.you libs take the cake..the free cake that is..I hope you choke on it

English????????????????????

An interesting summary, Milton. Only, the call to ban guns turns out to be a knee-jerk, scapegoating of lawful gun owners with no direct benefit to schools and kids.

English please. We live in America, not Haiti.